Where Do Christ and Truth Separate?

[rubicontwentytwelve]

Be led by the spirit of truth and be led by God. It matters not what others say, only the words of your creator. Go to God alone and seek his answers. You are closer than many to finding out what REAL truth is. Stay away from churches and seek God with your whole heart. Pour it out and ask God to fill it back with truth and you will be astonished!

But wouldn't truth be reality? And if truth is reality; then what is real truth? Perhaps one should consider Micky Mouse....

 

[rubicontwentytwelve]

The whole Truth of God as God has revealed it would mean all of the truth God has given us to this point. That would be the bible. So next questions are as follows: Is the bible the only revelation of God? Is the bible complete? Is the cannon of scripture been closed in the 66 books of the old and new testament?

I think you've missed my point, (or maybe simply avoided it in order to debate...?), my question was; where do truth and christ separate? It really doesn't matter about any of the other things you mention if one doesn't know the answer to this question.

 

[rubicontwentytwelve]

Exactly which Christian teaching and/or principles are you talking about?

When people say things like, I believe, because that's what the Bible says, doesn't necesarily mean it's really true because man-made doctrines come into play. They simply believe it because that is what they were told. So it's necessary to know which Christian principles you are speaking of.

As a believer, we don't follow principles anyway, we follow Christ.

Its a simple question...with a very simple answer..... I'm amazed at the responses thus far.

Let's try this:



" ...which Christian principles you are speaking of. "

What is the foundation of all Christian teaching? What is the key principle?

 

[oi_antz]

I have been told that because I believe in truth I do not qualify as one of Christian belief.

Who has the authority to make that decision? Seriously, I think someone is wearing the wrong size boots.

To me this seems a bit odd as both God and Christ Jesus espouse truth as being an absolute requirement for Christian Faith....or at least that's what they teach in the Bible. The Apostles believed in truth, they lived it as a way of life, and so does God teach it as His way, as well as the Way to life.

So I'm somewhat confused as to how one who believes in God, believes in Christ, and believes in the power of the Holy Spirit can be accused of NOT believing in Christian teaching and principles.

Any thoughts or explanations?

Rubicontwentytwelve, I am having a hard time understanding your problem. I do not see that Christ and truth are separate. I see truth as being a constant of life, and Christ as being the same constant entity of truth that is the mind of God manifest in the Holy Spirit, and laid upon Jesus and His disciples. It confirms a statement you made in post #4:

I believe God reveals truth on a 'need to know' basis.

Can you give me more context about why you were accused, can you repeat the scenario and quote what was said to arrive at that statement? I really can't offer insight unless I first understand the problem.

 

[rubicontwentytwelve]

Who has the authority to make that decision? Seriously, I think someone is wearing the wrong size boots.

Rubicontwentytwelve, I am having a hard time understanding your problem. I do not see that Christ and truth are separate. I see truth as being a constant of life, and Christ as being the same constant entity of truth that is the mind of God manifest in the Holy Spirit, and laid upon Jesus and His disciples. It confirms a statement you made in post #4:

Can you give me more context about why you were accused, can you repeat the scenario and quote what was said to arrive at that statement? I really can't offer insight unless I first understand the problem.

FINALLY!! (THOUGH IN QUITE A BIT MORE DETAIL THAN i WAS SEEKING).

Apparently to some truth is not a halmark of Christian teaching nor necessary for one to be considered a Christian.

Christ states there is only one way by which God's Kingdom can be obtained and that is through Him, in truth...how does He say to worship Him?... In TRUTH. So if truth is not necessary to be a Christain.... it is not necessary for one to walk in Christ's footsteps to attain His kingdom.... and Christ is a liar...?

Christ told Peter...I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

Translation: The Way of Life is Truth.


So,... I asked the question:

'Where do Christ and Truth separate'?

ANSWER: they don't.

When one separates Truth from Christ one chooses DEATH over Life.

 

[CGL1023]

FINALLY!! (THOUGH IN QUITE A BIT MORE DETAIL THAN i WAS SEEKING).

Apparently to some truth is not a halmark of Christian teaching nor necessary for one to be considered a Christian.

Christ states there is only one way by which God's Kingdom can be obtained and that is through Him, in truth...how does He say to worship Him?... In TRUTH. So if truth is not necessary to be a Christain.... it is not necessary for one to walk in Christ's footsteps to attain His kingdom.... and Christ is a liar...?

Christ told Peter...I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

Translation: The Way of Life is Truth.


So,... I asked the question:

'Where do Christ and Truth separate'?

ANSWER: they don't.

When one separates Truth from Christ one chooses DEATH over Life.

I am in 100% agreement with your "ANSWER:..". I would disagree slightly with the comment following. It seems that the Truth and Christ are inseparable.

 

[CGL1023]

computer glitch caused a duplicate of prior entry. Deleted.

 

[salida]

Is the person you are talking to a member of a cult-it sounds like it.

 

[oi_antz]

FINALLY!! (THOUGH IN QUITE A BIT MORE DETAIL THAN i WAS SEEKING).

Apparently to some truth is not a halmark of Christian teaching nor necessary for one to be considered a Christian.

Christ states there is only one way by which God's Kingdom can be obtained and that is through Him, in truth...how does He say to worship Him?... In TRUTH. So if truth is not necessary to be a Christain.... it is not necessary for one to walk in Christ's footsteps to attain His kingdom.... and Christ is a liar...?

Christ told Peter...I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

Translation: The Way of Life is Truth.


So,... I asked the question:

'Where do Christ and Truth separate'?

ANSWER: they don't.

When one separates Truth from Christ one chooses DEATH over Life.

Now you've completed my confusion - what is the problem? Did someone tell you that you aren't allowed to call yourself Christian? Or is this some sort of joke?

 

[chilehed]

Where Do Christ and Truth Separate?

Christ is the Truth.

Your question is rather like asking where do sugar and sweetness separate. Not a completely adequate simile, but perhaps good enough.

I have been told that because I believe in truth I do not qualify as one of Christian belief... Any thoughts or explanations?

You've not provided sufficent background for an answer. It's possible that you're misunderstanding what was said to you.

 

[rubicontwentytwelve]

I am in 100% agreement with your "ANSWER:..". I would disagree slightly with the comment following. It seems that the Truth and Christ are inseparable.

Christ is truth....

the point of my original question was not that Christ and truth separate...it was that they do not; yet I did not word it in that manner because I was interested to find out whom would consider the manner and whom would not.

The follow up information was strictly 'filler', though true concerning actual circumstances I have encountered in my life. The point was..." where do Christ and truth separate?"

The simple answer is... they don't.

The progression of thought being that if one claims to follow Christ one would necessarily also have to do so in truth. If not, then one is following deception or fiction.

Hence, if one considers the whole Bible to be the truth, the actual Word of God, yet follows doctrine that is contrary to that Word, one deceives himself, does he not?... nor is one worshipping Christ in truth is one?

 

[oi_antz]

Christ is truth....

the point of my original question was not that Christ and truth separate...it was that they do not; yet I did not word it in that manner because I was interested to find out whom would consider the manner and whom would not.

The follow up information was strictly 'filler', though true concerning actual circumstances I have encountered in my life. The point was..." where do Christ and truth separate?"

The simple answer is... they don't.

The progression of thought being that if one claims to follow Christ one would necessarily also have to do so in truth. If not, then one is following deception or fiction.

Hence, if one considers the whole Bible to be the truth, the actual Word of God, yet follows doctrine that is contrary to that Word, one deceives himself, does he not?... nor is one worshipping Christ in truth is one?

I don't think Christ is confined to the bible. He says the scriptures "testify of Him", but we must come to Him to receive the living water. Where did Paul gain all the wisdom that he shared in the new testament? From the Holy Spirit. So it is with us when we are granted eternal life, it is the Holy Spirit who teaches us.

 

[rubicontwentytwelve]

I don't think Christ is confined to the bible. He says the scriptures "testify of Him", but we must come to Him to receive the living water. Where did Paul gain all the wisdom that he shared in the new testament? From the Holy Spirit. So it is with us when we are granted eternal life, it is the Holy Spirit who teaches us.

And what is the living water...?

For that matter what is the Holy Spirit?

Why would Christ be confined to the Bible....does not Christ state that truth is here a little and there a little...?

If one doesn't come to the truth ...how can he receive it?

Did not David seek God in all things?

Consider..Christ states He is Truth...you know HE is Lord over all men...so how is it that most of those who claim to be Christians seek to honor Christ but do not do so by viewing TRUTH as their Lord? Does not Christ state that he is to be worshiped IN truth? How does THAT happen unless one reveres TRUTH as his Lord?

It doesn't does it?

 

[oi_antz]

And what is the living water...?

For that matter what is the Holy Spirit?

Why would Christ be confined to the Bible....does not Christ state that truth is here a little and there a little...?

If one doesn't come to the truth ...how can he receive it?

Did not David seek God in all things?

Consider..Christ states He is Truth...you know HE is Lord over all men...so how is it that most of those who claim to be Christians seek to honor Christ but do not do so by viewing TRUTH as their Lord? Does not Christ state that he is to be worshiped IN truth? How does THAT happen unless one reveres TRUTH as his Lord?

It doesn't does it?

So it seems

 

[bling]

Christ is truth....

the point of my original question was not that Christ and truth separate...it was that they do not; yet I did not word it in that manner because I was interested to find out whom would consider the manner and whom would not.

The follow up information was strictly 'filler', though true concerning actual circumstances I have encountered in my life. The point was..." where do Christ and truth separate?"

The simple answer is... they don't.

The progression of thought being that if one claims to follow Christ one would necessarily also have to do so in truth. If not, then one is following deception or fiction.

Hence, if one considers the whole Bible to be the truth, the actual Word of God, yet follows doctrine that is contrary to that Word, one deceives himself, does he not?... nor is one worshipping Christ in truth is one?

Truth does not equal Christ/God, but they are always perfectly true. God and Jesus are reality (truth), but that does not mean we worship “truth”.

You said early on:
I believe that God has revealed to ' man ' in general what he needs to know of the truth at this time. God teaches that is ALL that which He knew were written down the earth could not contain the books.

I believe that God reveals to individuals that of the truth which they require to perform whatever commission it is that He has given them...assuming He has given them one.

I believe God reveals truth on a 'need to know' basis.

I see everything (all reality) fit man having one objective and God revealing enough for all mature adult humans to fulfill that objective.

So what do you see as man’s objective in this life and does this explain all the reality (truth) God has allowed or caused?