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I was kinda hoping to get an answer from Catherineanne, but that doesn't mean I'm not open to all answers.The idea that science is what man learns by observation. Whether he makes the right decision or a wrong one can not be known until new observations challenges the status quo of what is falsely called knowledge, and science alway supersedes scripture as to truth about the natural world which man observes. That observation though is faulty if the lens used to measure it is defective. God also sends delusions to believe lies because men refuse to love the truth and be saved.
Oh, but I can not aggree more with your statement.
Indeed, the Bible is not a book of science, and I never claimed that it is.
What I do however claim is that anyone that dismisses the Bible as a contradiction with science, are making a huge mistake.
If one looks at Hawking, Guth, Neil de Grasse, Singer, Dawkins, and all their great atheist friends that don't bother to blaspheme against the God of the Bible and tries to belittle every Christian for believing in the Bible, then I will ask an alternative to the Biblical explanation.
Guess what then, they can not do it, they tell me they will only speak to scientists.
Please don't you also go that way.
Now, I dont want to teach scientists their jobs, for I am not educated enough to do so. But I investigated on their claims and found that the so called evidence they use to discard the Biblical explanation on how the Creator made the Universe, IS THE EXACT THEORIES THAT WAS TAKEN FROM THE BIBLE THAT WAS DEVELOPED INTO THEIR VERY SCIENCE THEY HOLD SO DEER. ONCE THEY REALIZE THAT CHRISTIANS HAVE THEIR SCIENCE IN WRITTEN FORM DATING MORE THAN 2 000 AGO, THEY ARE SILENT.
Again, all I do is to show Christians they dont have to be ashamed of their Bible and its contents, because Atheism has nothing to compare with it.
Greetings
it is ok to leave the 60's just so you know.Much of Genesis is a parable, that reflects the reality of the kingdom of God dimension and the way it operates or is...
https://www.christianforums.com/thr...true-may-be-beyond-our-comprehension.8035539/
Actually, nothing about Genesis fits the model of a parable.Much of Genesis is a parable, that reflects the reality of the kingdom of God dimension and the way it operates or is...
https://www.christianforums.com/thr...true-may-be-beyond-our-comprehension.8035539/
I'm saying what is more important, is the unseen, in it...Actually, nothing about Genesis fits the model of a parable.
On top of that.. nothing in Genesis is outside of the abilities of the Creator.
Thirdly, only the musings of men, mostly atheistic men, contradict what happened, literally, in Genesis.
I'm not saying that Christians don't entertain this belief, I'm saying that it is the assumptions, extrapolations and speculations of men that try to contradict the living word of God.
As for my belief in the Genesis account..
God said when He did it,
God said how He did it,
God said that He did it,
It was all within His capabilities..... so I conclude that He did it just like He told us.
What does the water symbolize in the other realm...?I admit, I am just a silly person, so I will have a silly response:
God is not limited.
If God wants more water, God gets more water. If God wants the extra water to go away, the extra water goes away. God is God. God is not limited.
Our definition of literal is limited to what we think we can prove and is very much limited to the physical realm, however, that is changing, even in science, anyhow, our definition of literal, is limited to what we think we can prove and know for sure, while God's is not, he knows all things and to him all things are proven and provable... Including where we are going with these new sciences changing our direction to question our solid literal, physical interpretations...So much emphasis placed on "literal" interpretation, as if we know what is literal, and what is not?, in someone else's book and perspective, anyway...
God Bless!
I don't believe that, that is how they think.I was kinda hoping to get an answer from Catherineanne, but that doesn't mean I'm not open to all answers.
I will ask you though.....
You say "science always supersedes scripture as to truth about the natural world which man observes."
How do you figure?
We are essentially saying "What we think and know is real God, is more correct than yours..."Our definition of literal is limited to what we think we can prove and is very much limited to the physical realm, however, that is changing, even in science, anyhow, our definition of literal, is limited to what we think we can prove and know for sure, while God's is not, he knows all things and to him all things are proven and provable... Including where we are going with these new sciences changing our direction to question our solid literal, physical interpretations...
He knows and has seen it all...
Really sorry, but I don't understand what you mean.I'm saying what is more important, is the unseen, in it...
God Bless!
Oh, Ok, thanks. I believe that God's word is true and every man a liar.I don't believe that, that is how they think.
God does not change. You need to go back and read the Bible much more carefully. God has a righteous and holy wrath against sin. Jesus warned of the coming wrath.
Indeed! God has NOT changed! He has always been, and ever will be the loving Father as revealed by the Son. It is man's perception of God that has evolved over time. Jesus taught that the "very hairs on our heads have been counted". To understand what others have taught (especially in the OT), it is necessary to FIRST embrace the revelations and teachings of the Master, Jesus Christ. THEN apply His teachings to those of others. Do this, and you will view the other scriptures differently....
Matthew 24:37-39 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. (38) For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, (39) and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Matthew 12:34-37 You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. (35) The good person out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure brings forth evil. (36) I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, (37) for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
Matthew 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
Matthew 5:29-30 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. (30) And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.
Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. (22) On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ (23) And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Matthew 8:11-12 I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, (12) while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
Matthew 11:21-24 “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. (22) But I tell you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for Tyre and Sidon than for you. (23) And you, Capernaum, will you be exalted to heaven? You will be brought down to Hades. For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. (24) But I tell you that it will be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom than for you.”
Luke 13:3-5 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. (4) Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them: do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem? (5) No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”
and many more passages...
I do apologize.No need to shout.
God said when He did it,
God said how He did it,
God said that He did it,
It was all within His capabilities..... so I conclude that He did it just like He told us.
Could it also be likened to a kind of fire also, under certain circumstances, and what is the common thread in that likeness...?What does the water symbolize in the other realm...?
The flood is a vastly exaggerated, fictional story used by the Israelites in their attempt to connect their blood lines all the way back to Adam and Eve whom they assumed were the first humans.If there is one biblical narrative within the Bible many scientists disagrees with, or even use as evidence that the Bible should be discarded on its explanation of science, it is definitely the Great Flood, or as it is better known, Noah's flood.
I mean, how is it possible that the whole earth was covered with water deeper than the highest mountain? Everest is 8850 meters above sea level and if the Earth was covered over its entire surface to more than 8850 meters, where is this water now? the earth contains thousands of times less water than what this description claims to have been.
So, where did this water come from, and where did it go to?
I saw many documentaries where scientists asked this question, and it is claimed that no one answered up until now.
Well, lets just say the Christian Bible believer was never given the chance to answer!
I will give my 5c worth, and hope to show everyone that it is not the Bible that is wrong, but the Atheist that interpreted something quite different from what the Bible says about the origins and history of the Earth.
And the Bible actually gives a solid scientific conclusion in its description of a global flood.
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