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Clearly, if they were in the wrong for electing Matthias, do you believe that Jesus would have still baptized them with the Holy Spirit in the next chapter?
Your disputing that Paul could not be the logical candidate for replacement for Judas? Sounds like another thread to me.i'm not disputing that bit. It the other stuff.
Yes. These fellows let Jesus down repeatedly during the years of his public ministry, yet he nevertheless kept them as his closest associates and entrusted the responsibility of converting the whole world to them.
John 20:22 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”
I'm of the opinion that we're comparing apples to oranges when we compare the time when Jesus walked with the Apostles and taught them...and the time after the Ascension. In any case, the choice of Matthias certainly wasn't Peter's alone and it's not even to be taken for granted that God directed the choice.Correct, however my point being that, seeing how it was Peter that selected Matthias, every time in the Bible that we find that Peter has failed Jesus, he is rebuked.
I would assume that this would follow as Peter prayed to God before he elected Matthias as the replacement for Judas. But nowhere in acts are we shown they Peter is rebuked for this.
I'm of the opinion that we're comparing apples to oranges when we compare the time when Jesus walked with the Apostles and taught them...and the time after the Ascension. In any case, the choice of Matthias certainly wasn't Peter's alone.
Calm down from the Peterphrenia enough to realize all Guide had to know is what Jesus instructed and how frequently errant Peter failed to followCorrect, it was not Peter's alone, however it was (as shown in Acts) Peter that prayed and layed down the requirements to be selected to fill Judas' position.
This primarily places the responsibility on Peter.
The point I am trying to make, is that Guide states that this was wrong. How could he know more, than the man that Jesus elected as head of the apostles?
I made a guess in the amount since I did not have the time to calculate it out, thank you.
Why do you keep placing words in my mouth? Seriously? Can we please just get beyond that and take each quote for what it is? Or do you seriously need to place words in my mouth that were never there to begin with?
I have not once moved away from the fact that Paul was chosen by Jesus. Not once. What makes you think that Matthias was not chosen by Jesus?
WHEN did I ever make the claim that Jesus got it wrong?? Please show me where, please.
I am arguing because it is the simple fact that Matthias was the replacement for Judas.
Acts 1:4 is very specific in why Jesus told them to wait, for the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which they receive in Acts 2. Clearly, if they were in the wrong for electing Matthias, do you believe that Jesus would have still baptized them with the Holy Spirit in the next chapter? Or would Jesus have rebuked them?
Jesus told them to wait for the baptism of the Holy Spirit, in Acts 1:4
Matthias is elected in the end of Acts 1
The Apostles are baptized with the Holy Spirit in the beginning of Acts 2
Paul is not chosen by Jesus until the beginning of Acts 9
Way before Paul is chosen, Jesus already fulfilled his promise to the Apostles from Acts 1:4.
So, why cant both Jesus and the Apostles be right? Is that not a possibility???
Looking at the timeline between Acts 1 and Acts 9, 4 years have passed. There is a 4 year difference from when the Apostles elect Matthias and are baptized by the Holy Spirit, and Jesus converting Paul, there is another 3 years before Paul starts preaching to the gentiles.
Your saying that the squeeky wheel that got all the grease because of Peter's boisterious personality should still have been informed as a servant after the event of Jesus calling him friend. Well granted that was the reasoning to Abraham that he should not be kept in the dark as to Sodom, but I tend to agree more with Albion in this instance because of timeframe and natural order of events. Timeframes shift.Correct, it was not Peter's alone, however it was (as shown in Acts) Peter that prayed and layed down the requirements to be selected to fill Judas' position.
This primarily places the responsibility on Peter.
The point I am trying to make, is that Guide states that this was wrong. How could he know more, than the man that Jesus elected as head of the apostles?
I think you need to read the OP. I'm saying the opposite to that!Your disputing that Paul could not be the logical candidate for replacement for Judas? Sounds like another thread to me.
Wrong, Paul rebuked Peter himself, Jesus didn't need to do it as Jesus had already selected the right man for the job in the first place. God does not make mistakes:Correct, however my point being that, seeing how it was Peter that selected Matthias, every time in the Bible that we find that Peter has failed Jesus, he is rebuked.
I would assume that this would follow as Peter prayed to God before he elected Matthias as the replacement for Judas. But nowhere in acts are we shown they Peter is rebuked for this.
Wrong. The Holy Spirit had not been given. When Jesus breathed on them it was a prophetic foreshadowing of what was about to happen to them.Really, I've heard that the Apostles received a measure of the Holy Spirit, even if they were not BAPTIZED in the Holy Spirit.
That means that these Apostles, under the leadership of the Holy Spirit, cast lots, and it seemed good to them and to the Holy Spirit that they select Matthias.
By studying the Bible.Correct, it was not Peter's alone, however it was (as shown in Acts) Peter that prayed and layed down the requirements to be selected to fill Judas' position.
This primarily places the responsibility on Peter.
The point I am trying to make, is that Guide states that this was wrong. How could he know more, than the man that Jesus elected as head of the apostles?
Oh my G-d. You think it took 4 years before Paul met Jesus!!! It was a matter of weeks and you ask "So, why cant both Jesus and the Apostles be right? Is that not a possibility???" Because Jesus didn't have anything to do with Peter's cost casting decision. There was no manifestation of the supernatural! As there was with Paul.
You keep saying things like "Show me where Jesus said not to cast lots"? That's like me saying "Show me where Jesus taught them to cast lots." Your logic is illogical.
Wrong, Paul rebuked Peter himself, Jesus didn't need to do it as Jesus had already selected the right man for the job in the first place. God does not make mistakes:
Galatians 2:11
But when Kaypha came to Antiakia, I rebuked him to his face because they were tripped up by him;
You sound angry.Oh my G-d. You think it took 4 years before Paul met Jesus!!! It was a matter of weeks and you ask "So, why cant both Jesus and the Apostles be right? Is that not a possibility???" Because Jesus didn't have anything to do with Peter's cost casting decision. There was no manifestation of the supernatural! As there was with Paul.
You keep saying things like "Show me where Jesus said not to cast lots"? That's like me saying "Show me where Jesus taught them to cast lots." Your logic is illogical.
Since you cant address the issues, you might as well be amused.Hillarious, now I know that you are full of it. I highly HIGHLY doubt that you know more than St Peter, or any of the Apostles. I don't know more than them, and I doubt there is a single person on these forums that knows more than them.
Since you cant address the issues, you might as well be amused.
"If we're fools in life, a happy fool I'd rather be." -Taj Mahal
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