Where did the Amplified find this part of this verse?

Yitzchak · Jan 19, 2007

esword is a great resource, but he doesn't have the septuagint itself that I can remember. I could be wrong, but I don't think so . . .

It has it. One problem. It doesn't have the english translation of it. It has the greek. So if a person reads greek , it is great. But otherwise....

Yitzchak · Jan 19, 2007

Here is my speculation. Educated guess.

The hebrew for great destroyer in the verse is very strong language in the original. In looking it up , the original hebrew is utterly destroys or wastes.

What is being destroyed or wasted ? The amplified translators obviously feel it is their very life that is being thrown away or wasted.

In other words , he that is slack in his work is wasting the life that God gave him and it is like a from of suicide. I am assuming that the translators take the phrase is like a great destroyer as meaning is like someone who committs suicide. they have chosen death over life because they are throwing away the life that God created them to live.

Adammi · Jan 19, 2007

Also [in addition to this], the Amplified [The Bible translation being referred to] does a lot of explaining [expounding upon, referrencing to, giving further incite] within the text of scripture [the Bible, holy writ, God's word]. So, could it be that the phrase "he who does not use his endeavors to heal himself is brother to him who commits suicide." [Proverbs 18:9b, found only in the Amplified (the Bible translation being referred to)] is meant to explain [expound upon, reference to, give further incite] the meaning of Proverbs 18:19a even though it doesn't use brackets [the literary symbols used to explain, expound upon, reference to, and give further incite in the Amplified (the Bible translation being referred to)]?

Adammi · Jan 19, 2007

I hope that my Amplifiedese was understandable.

Yitzchak · Jan 19, 2007

Well of course the Jews who don't believe Jesus is the Messiah would say that! But, she was a virgin, else Jesus would have our corrupt sin nature, and would have been disqualifed to die for our sins, in fact to become SIN. He had to be like Adam before SIN entered into the man race.

One issue that I think needs mentioning here is the jews do not always agree amonst themselves. Christians often read the bible about the Pharisees and think that all jews agree. But don't forget , there were also the Saducees and the Essenes and several other sects. It is like that today , as well.

Dynaric · Jan 19, 2007

uhhh, My understanding is that the new living translation is much more a paraphrase than a literal translation?

The NLT is based not from the greek or hebrew texts directly, check out this sight, it will tell you that the NLT was basically a revise of the Living Bible (and it was a paraphrase) http://www.bible-researcher.com/nlt.html

Dynaric

Dave01 · Jan 19, 2007

Online bible has an english translation of the lxx,..

14 (LXXE) Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; behold, a virgin shall conceive in the womb, and shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Emmanuel.

Yitzchak · Jan 19, 2007

Online bible has an english translation of the lxx,..

Can you provide us with a translation of Proverbs 18:9 please.

Yitzchak · Jan 19, 2007

And also. How can I access online bible ?

Dave01 · Jan 19, 2007

9 ¶ (LXXE) A man who helps not himself by his labour is brother of him that ruins himself.

Online Bible is a program that's been around since the late 80's I think. One of the first bible computer programs. It is similar to e-sword where you can build your translations that you wish to compare. Has quite a lot of commentary material and books also, here is the North Atlantic home page,..

http://www.onlinebible.net/

Sometimes you can find other material to add to your program from other sites on the web, since people sometimes design their modules around the program so they can just utilize it's ability to view their material. They don't always add their material onto the sites webpage though.

thereselittleflower · Jan 20, 2007

The note in the OP states:

Proverbs 18:9 This verse so reads in The Septuagint

This does not sound like an amplification to me.

The question seems to be, where did they get this LXX source that "so reads"?

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Atlantians · Jan 20, 2007

thereselittleflower said:
LOL! It was the Jews who believed that. It is part of the lengend surrounding the Jewish translatin of the Hebrew scriptures (which are no longer extant) into Greek, and why it was hailed by the Jews as inspired by God.

The legend has it that all 72 translators were divinely inspired in their translations and all translated separately in isolation from each other, and when they came together, their translations matched exactly.

There is always some truth in legends. Septuagint is from the number 70 . . it is called the book of the 70 for a reason . . .

Yes, I am referring to Isaiah. But the Masoratic text is not clear on it . . the word used in the Hebrew in the Masoratic Text means maiden, young woman and can refer to a virgin, but such an understanding is not mandated. It does not explicitly mean a virgin.
H5959

עלמה

‛almâh

al-maw'

Feminine of H5958; a lass (as veiled or private): - damsel, maid, virgin.

The Greek in the Septuagint, however does and explicitly refers to a virgin.

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The thing is, almah is never used for anyone who is reffered to as not being a virgin, while bethulah is.
It is used in the phrase "the virgin daughter Israel" when Israel is being accused of spiritual adultury!
So... yeah.

almah is always used when virginity is implied or flat out stated.

Behtulah is used more generally.

Citizen of the Kingdom · Jan 21, 2007

Hisgirl said:
9He who is loose and slack in his work is brother to him who is a destroyer and [a]he who does not use his endeavors to heal himself is brother to him who commits suicide. Proverbs 18:9

The Amplified version shows this verse like the above. However, every other translation I can find shows it as

Proverbs 18:9
Parallel Translations
Concordance Entries Brother Destroyer Destroys Destruction Indolent Makes Master Mind Remiss Slack Slothful Waster

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NASB: He also who is slack in his work Is brother to him who destroys. (NASB ©1995)
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GWT: Whoever is lazy in his work is related to a vandal. (GOD'S WORD®)
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KJV: He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster.
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ASV: He also that is slack in his work Is brother to him that is a destroyer.
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BBE: He who does not give his mind to his work is brother to him who makes destruction.
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DBY: He also who is indolent in his work is brother of the destroyer.
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JPS: Even one that is slack in his work is brother to him that is a destroyer.
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WBS: He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster.
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WEB: One who is slack in his work is brother to him who is a master of destruction.
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YLT: He also that is remiss in his work, A brother he [is] to a destroyer.

The footnote in the Amplified says :

Proverbs 18:9 This verse so reads in The Septuagint (Greek translation of the Old Testament). Its statement squarely addresses the problem of whether one has a moral right to neglect his body by "letting nature take its unhindered course" in illness.

But I pulled up the Interlenear Scipture Analyzer and it doesn't say that at all.. See the link below...

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterli...OTpdf/pro18.pdf

I'm confuuuused....! I love the amplified, but where did it find that part of the verse?

hmn, interesting, I'll have to check that out.

Citizen of the Kingdom · Jan 21, 2007

note from Bible Gateway
Proverbs 18:9 This verse so reads in The Septuagint (Greek translation of the Old Testament). Its statement squarely addresses the problem of whether one has a moral right to neglect his body by "letting nature take its unhindered course" in illness.
That seems to be all I could find in any of the resources I could find..
I guess it means to neglect the body is to destroy the body.
I'm not sure of what your refering to Atlantians?

Dave01 · Jan 21, 2007

I have another translation of the lxx from the Apostlic Bible,..

The one not repairing himself by his works is brother of the one laying himself waste

Seems that they have read into it too much with the suicide thing. Although it can be taken to that degree, I don't see how suicide is really the topic that GOD was talking about here.

Where did the Amplified find this part of this verse?

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