So God Spoke to someone and told them to make statues of people? When in His written scriptures we see this.
Well, He told them to make Statues and Icons of Angels and such. Just read the Scriptures I gave you. Let me repeat this.
"And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be" (Ex. 25:18–20).
David gave Solomon the plan "for the altar of incense made of refined gold, and its weight; also his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All this he made clear by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all, all the work to be done according to the plan" (1 Chr. 28:18–19).
Similarly Ezekiel 41:17–18 describes graven (carved) images in the idealized temple he was shown in a vision, for he writes, "On the walls round about in the inner room and [on] the nave were carved likenesses of cherubim."
Holy Scriptures
does not forbid Holy Icons,
only the worship of such. The Scripture you posted only deals with the worship of these things, which is why God got mad.
The Holy Temple/The Ark were full of Icons/Statues of Angels. We honor, not worship, the Saints and Angels in our Holy Icons. Holy Icons originated from the OT, and the Early Christians will make images of the cross, fish, etc, which all symbolize Christ.
Apparently, you
cannot answer why God commanded the making of Statues and Icons. He commanded them not to worship them. You still have not answer why these Scriptures are "false" (it has to be in your Protestant theology).
Do you object to illustrated Gospel tracts [to lead people to salvation]? You know those Baptist and other Protestant Gospel tracts which has pictures of Angels, Christ, and stuff?
Do you have pictures of family and friends or you?
Well those who are "icons" by definition ["An image; a representation", "a usually pictorial representation; image" according to online Dictionaries and my personal dictionaries]. The picture you have on the left side of your name is a "icon". Do you object to those?
I don't see them as praying but holding golden bowels filled with the prayers of Gods people..Who do you believe the 24 elders are?
Yes, these Angels offer God our Prayers. Why can't you see that?
"An angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God" (Rev. 8:3-4).
Humans as well offer prayers to God for us. John sees that "the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" (Rev. 5:8). The simple fact is, as this passage shows: The saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth.
Are the Elders and such excluded from "God's People"?
Can someone show me where the Apostles taught to make graven images and icons?
Yes, I can see that you are ignoring what the OT said. So do everything have to repeated in the NT in order to be true and genuine? Does the NT forbid us to make Icons?
where does it say in the NT where we are to hold any day of the week over any other? We are to hold every day Holy unto the Lord for we are called to be Holy..
Well the Holy Apostles will gather on the first day of the week for worship and the partaking of the Holy Communion [Acts 20:7, etc]. The Early Christians follow in the Tradition of the Holy Apostles and worship on the first day of the week and to partake of the Divine Eucharist (Holy Communion). Don't you celebrate your Birthday on a particular day? About your friends and family members birthdays? About your Anniversary? Don't you regard that day as "special"?
For if Christ intercedes or us why would we need the saints to intercede for us? For is not Christ all in all? We only see written that Christ forever lives to intercede for us. Not the saints.
Then why do we need our Brother and Sisters today to pray for us then? The Holy Apostles
actually ask other Christians to pray for him. We are commanded to pray for others. This is no different than asking Saints in heaven to pray for us.
1 Timothy 2:5, Paul
says that Christians should intercede: "First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way. This is good, and pleasing to God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:1–4). Clearly, then, intercessory prayers offered by Christians on behalf of others is something "good and pleasing to God".
"The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." (James 5:16, b).
Saint Paul directly
asks others to pray for him (Rom. 15:30–32, Eph. 6:18–20, Col. 4:3, 1 Thess. 5:25, 2 Thess. 3:1), and he assured them that he was praying for them as well (2 Thess. 1:11). Most fundamentally, Jesus himself required us to pray for others, and not only for those who asked us to do so (Matt. 5:44).
So please ask Jesus Christ and Saint Paul "For if Christ intercedes or us why would we need the saints to intercede for us?" for they said Christians should pray for others and ask them to pray for them. Certainty, as we have seen from Scriptures, just because Christ intercede for us [that the most important intercession] this does not forbid us from prayer for others and asking others to pray for us.
Of course you reject all this ONLY because it doesn't agree with your [21st Century] Protestant Theology.
I am still waiting for you to actually have a discussion and answer all my comments one by one, and not just pick and choose which you want to comment. I am still waiting for you to actually comment on the Scriptures I have posted. You haven't because it does not agree with your particular belief.
Blessings,
Ramon
P.S, my prayers are with you and your family.
