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If you are having trouble comprehending AND asking for clarification then perhaps you should avoid replying at all.

Because quite frankly, I felt embarrassed for you back there...

I forgive you though
Contrary to popular belief, the use of insults and condescension doesn't increase the apparent level of intelligence of a person. Nor does it serve as an argument or make you right.
 
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God open the eyes of these young men and women who call themselves Christian, but who have never truly known your grace.


Lately, I have noticed a massive amount of 'christians' my age who attend parties, ad engage in sexual behavior. Not that I am perfect, or even one to call them out. For I am chief of these sinners. For as I am unclean, I cannot cast a single stone...
Oh, parties. Now that is sinful. Wasn't that against the 11th commandment, thou shalt not attend a party?
 
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A real regenerated born again christian lives a life of constant repentance. Though a real christian may not be perfect, they desire holiness and kill sin by the grace of God. Pride and haughtiness are killed, because they know that the only good that abides in them is from God. I know I have no good in me apart from The Holy Spirit working through me. I know that apart from Christ, I am wretched, vile and depraved. I desire holiness. I desire to know God more and make Him known constantly. I believe that by The grace of God, this attitude is perfection; humbled and hungry for holiness. Humbled and loving. Love is not only 1 Corinthians 13....that's what love looks like. If we love God, we love His statutes and desire to love Him more. If we say we love God but hate our neighbor, we are lying. Indeed we must stand firm in the faith and pray for others and ourselves :)
 
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Sure, that's good, but I just want to say, the Holy Spirit cleanses your conscience. What I mean is some people just see sin everywhere, and end up being evil minded people who accuse others over trivial things, even if they think they are holier for their state of mind.

*Stuff* never was evil, and morality is a matter of the thoughts and intents of the heart- i.e. how people treat one another.
 
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A real regenerated born again christian lives a life of constant repentance. Though a real christian may not be perfect, they desire holiness and kill sin by the grace of God. Pride and haughtiness are killed, because they know that the only good that abides in them is from God. I know I have no good in me apart from The Holy Spirit working through me. I know that apart from Christ, I am wretched, vile and depraved. I desire holiness. I desire to know God more and make Him known constantly. I believe that by The grace of God, this attitude is perfection; humbled and hungry for holiness. Humbled and loving. Love is not only 1 Corinthians 13....that's what love looks like. If we love God, we love His statutes and desire to love Him more. If we say we love God but hate our neighbor, we are lying.

Kind of agree with you except for the part that I made bold. Not to say that it isn't true for you - but carry it through.

If it is true that only believers in Jesus have an escape or pardon from wretchedness, vileness and depravity ( I mean in practical every day terms) - then it stands to reason that anyone of any other faith (or no faith) - from a Christian perspective - couldn't possibly be anything BUT wretched, vile and depraved (in practical every day living).

Would it be an impossibility for a Buddhist, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic, Humanist, or any other person not of the Christian faith to be in any sense moral, or have morals, or do good things for the right reasons?

The exclusivity some religions (or parts of them - the wording in some places) claim - have, of late, made me look more and more askance at them. Tell the Hindu mother she couldn't possibly love her son or daughter because she's Hindu and doesn't "have Christ" and I see this as a major face palm moment.

I don't think the words "I'm sorry", "forgive me", "I forgive you", "I love you" spoken in truth belong exclusively to those calling themselves Christian.
 
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No of course, By God's grace, even non believers can show love to someone....take a look at the story of the Good Samaritan :) by God's grace alone. He allows the sun to rise and set on the just and the unjust. God is sovereign and by His sovereignty and grace, He has permitted even those who don't follow Him to have those godly qualities. God does whatever He pleases.


11 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him! Matthew 7:11
basically the whole chapter 7 is a good chapter to read concerning what we are talking about :)

Those people who are always accusing and entertaining evil judgmental thoughts in their heart for 'trivial' things must be careful with how they think and pray for others rather than hate them.

Another thing to be careful about is that if we think ourselves as good we are wrong. Only God is good. Only when we recognize our true need for A Savior is when we are truly humbled. Lots of people can demonstrate what is known as false humility.

Christ did not come to make bad people good. He came to make dead people live. Before Christ we were literally walking dead. God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.

Sadly most Christians nowadays don't study the word or pray ....If we don't read and meditate on the word of God and pray then how will we know

"My people perish out of a lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6

"No man can put on the robes of Christ's righteousness till he has taken off his own." -Spurgeon
 
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Nanopants

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Kind of agree with you except for the part that I made bold. Not to say that it isn't true for you - but carry it through.

If it is true that only believers in Jesus have an escape or pardon from wretchedness, vileness and depravity ( I mean in practical every day terms) - then it stands to reason that anyone of any other faith (or no faith) - from a Christian perspective - couldn't possibly be anything BUT wretched, vile and depraved (in practical every day living).

Would it be an impossibility for a Buddhist, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic, Humanist, or any other person not of the Christian faith to be in any sense moral, or have morals, or do good things for the right reasons?

The exclusivity some religions (or parts of them - the wording in some places) claim - have, of late, made me look more and more askance at them. Tell the Hindu mother she couldn't possibly love her son or daughter because she's Hindu and doesn't "have Christ" and I see this as a major face palm moment.

I don't think the words "I'm sorry", "forgive me", "I forgive you", "I love you" spoken in truth belong exclusively to those calling themselves Christian.

Ok, so, from my exclusively *Christian* point of view, I'd say God is a very natural part of reality, as is all of humanity, as well as morality. It's not a legal, logical or a philosophical construct available only to those who think a certain way or believe in certain facts. I'm also inclined to believe that a lot of non-Christians would quickly become believers if they were to see proof of God's existence, but then, there are those who profess to be Christians (probably that same group that doesn't seem to have a firm grasp on how to treat others rightly) who might see proof and then call it the work of the devil or something to that effect. It's strange how that works.
 
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I think I'll let your "eye" be the judge, but keep in mind "judge not that you be not judged."

I find it interesting that whenever anyone brings up what would be considered 'fundamental' christian values, you immediately accuse them of being hypocritical (either directly or indirectly), yet you don't find that to be judgemental.
 
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I find it interesting that whenever anyone brings up what would be considered 'fundamental' christian values, you immediately accuse them of being hypocritical (either directly or indirectly), yet you don't find that to be judgemental.
And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. -John 12:47,48

But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned. -Mat 12:36,37

Care to see how it works?
 
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