Where are our conspiracy theorists?

[Laodicean]

It seems so strange to still be waiting for a Sunday law to happen 150 or so years after it was predicted. Especially when the prediction stated that this would come into effect well over 100 years ago. Is there no expiration date on this nonsense? In 500 years will people still consider it the "last days" and be waiting for the Pope to enforce a Sunday law? SDAism literally makes less sense with every passing day.

Sunday laws did come into effect back in the days of Jones and Waggoner. Dr. Jones appeared before congress to address some of what are called "blue laws" that are still on the books. The church did not make herself ready for Jesus' return back then, and we have been given a reprieve. The winds of strife have been held back a little longer.

 

[Laodicean]

The insistence of our belief in "the second coming" has greatly undermined our faith for a second coming.

If you believe in the first coming, then the second coming is inevitable. It took more than 2,000 years before the first coming, but in the fulness of time, it did come. Another 2,000-some years have gone by, and in the fulness of prophetic time, the second coming will be realized.

Of course, your belief in the second coming depends on if you believe in the first coming.

 

[Kira Light]

Sunday laws did come into effect back in the days of Jones and Waggoner. Dr. Jones appeared before congress to address some of what are called "blue laws" that are still on the books. The church did not make herself ready for Jesus' return back then, and we have been given a reprieve. The winds of strife have been held back a little longer.

I was pondering this exact argument the last few days. EGW said the reason her prophecies didn't come true is that the SDA church members failed to sufficiently spread the word. It is weird to think over a century later with the church all over the world and available anywhere on the internet they are STILL failing!

To say the Sunday law thing came true with this Jones and Waggoner thing is kinda ridiculous. What about all that mark of the beast stuff? The no buying or selling of goods was referring to blue laws? Head for the hills?

She failed to predict the second coming on many occasions and these predictions came from VISIONS FROM GOD! The same place all the SDA beliefs originate. Was God wrong? He had to be. He either used a woman who totally screwed up his message, or He told her lies. It is bad any way you look at it.

 

[Joe67]

I was pondering this exact argument the last few days. EGW said the reason her prophecies didn't come true is that the SDA church members failed to sufficiently spread the word. It is weird to think over a century later with the church all over the world and available anywhere on the internet they are STILL failing!

To say the Sunday law thing came true with this Jones and Waggoner thing is kinda ridiculous. What about all that mark of the beast stuff? The no buying or selling of goods was referring to blue laws? Head for the hills?

She failed to predict the second coming on many occasions and these predictions came from VISIONS FROM GOD! The same place all the SDA beliefs originate. Was God wrong? He had to be. He either used a woman who totally screwed up his message, or He told her lies. It is bad any way you look at it.

Kira,

If you add two negatives, your result is a double portion of negative.
Then it will be bad any way you look at it

If you multiply two negatives, your result is a positive.
Then it will all work together for good.

Praise the Lord that grace and peace are multiplied to us in our Lord Jesus.

Joe

 

[sentipente]

Sunday laws did come into effect back in the days of Jones and Waggoner. Dr. Jones appeared before congress to address some of what are called "blue laws" that are still on the books. The church did not make herself ready for Jesus' return back then, and we have been given a reprieve. The winds of strife have been held back a little longer.

Given a reprieve for failing while not even trying? What kind of God is this? Maybe a better interpretation is in order. This one does not work.

 

[Avonia]

Of course, your belief in the second coming depends on if you believe in the first coming.

I'm suggesting the truth of the second coming couldn't be more essential, but our belief about it may be limiting.

Said in a different way, the belief was well tuned for a people at one point in time, in one condition - but it may not be well tuned for us. We may need to do the work of diving in more deeply and refining the belief based on what we have learned in the last 2,000 years.

 

[sentipente]

If you believe in the first coming, then the second coming is inevitable. It took more than 2,000 years before the first coming, but in the fulness of time, it did come. Another 2,000-some years have gone by, and in the fulness of prophetic time, the second coming will be realized.

Of course, your belief in the second coming depends on if you believe in the first coming.

Who said there was a first coming? Is an uncloaking a coming? How can someone who is everywhere ever "come?"

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Perhaps there is another group that might be more appropriate to ask this? I.e. the Traditional Adventist subforum members?

I'm not sure. It sounds as though you have an opinion, so I welcome your thoughts about appropriateness.

From my perspective, it seems as though this is a forum where traditional SDAs post and where we are open to discussing a variety of topics. If I'm misinformed, just let me know.

BFA

 

[AzA]

I'm not sure. It sounds as though you have an opinion, so I welcome your thoughts about appropriateness.

From my perspective, it seems as though this is a forum where traditional SDAs post and where we are open to discussing a variety of topics. If I'm misinformed, just let me know.

If there are traditional Adventists or historic Adventists in the house, I would prefer to let them speak for themselves. You know I am neither of these.

 

[Joe67]

I'm suggesting the truth of the second coming couldn't be more essential, but our belief about it may be limiting.

Said in a different way, the belief was well tuned for a people at one point in time, in one condition - but it may not be well tuned for us. We may need to do the work of diving in more deeply and refining the belief based on what we have learned in the last 2,000 years.

Avonia,

What have we learned in the last 2,000 years that refines the belief concerning the second coming?

What was the unrefined belief 2000 years ago? What was the condition of the people then?

What is the refined belief for today, 2010? What is the condition of the people today?

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

If there are traditional Adventists or historic Adventists in the house, I would prefer to let them speak for themselves. You know I am neither of these.

Fair enough. That was the group that I was hoping to hear from on this particular question. I'm sure that you and I will have other opportunities to connect on other topics.

I'm glad to see your return to posting!

BFA

 

[Avonia]

What have we learned in the last 2,000 years

Just beginning a sentence like this - brings a smile.

 

[Avonia]

Who said there was a first coming? Is an uncloaking a coming?

Until we understand the "first coming" and "second coming" are symbols that help us apprehend that which has always been, we will wander and wait.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Until we understand the "first coming" and "second coming" are symbols that help us apprehend that which has always been, we will wander and wait.

In the interest of exploring all possibilities, should we consider whether Jesus Christ is merely a symbol of goodness?

BFA

 

[StormyOne]

In the interest of exploring all possibilities, should we consider whether Jesus Christ is merely a symbol of goodness?

BFA

He has become the symbol of the ultimate rescuer...One who will save us from this mess... as a symbol though he has come to symbolize a lot of things, and not all of them good....

 

[Joe67]

Just beginning a sentence like this - brings a smile.

Avonia,

With an open mouth?

Joe

 

[Avonia]

In the interest of exploring all possibilities, should we consider whether Jesus Christ is merely a symbol of goodness?

BFA

Who said anything about merely?

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Who said anything about merely?

That would be me. I'm thinking through how we decide what is a symbol and what is the reality to which the symbol points.

BFA

 

[StormyOne]

That would be me. I'm thinking through how we decide what is a symbol and what is the reality to which the symbol points.

BFA

That is a most excellent question.... I say that because I have grown weary of trying to get some christians to see that for example the ancient jews engaged in some rituals that pointed to Christ, but that arrival happened 500 yrs in their future. So it was quite easy I think to forget why the ritual was being done, especially because what it pointed to they never, ever saw...

So your question ties in nicely especially because the symbol and the reality might have become tainted with other agendas....

 

[Avonia]

That would be me. I'm thinking through how we decide what is a symbol and what is the reality to which the symbol points.

BFA

Carl Jung did much to help us understand symbols as archetypes. This goes well beyond symbols as representations of something else.