Where are our conspiracy theorists?

[Byfaithalone1]

AUSTIN– Gov. Rick Perry has proclaimed Sunday, June 27, 2010, as a Day of Prayer in Texas for the Gulf Coast, following the explosion and sinking of the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig that took 11 lives and has led to economic hardship for many others throughout the region.

Is this a blue law?

BFA

 

[VictorC]

Where are our conspiracy theorists?

Ezekiel 22:25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.

 

[StormyOne]

ummmm they are probably lurking around here somewhere, however I don't subscribe to the national sunday law paranoia... when the concept is dissected it makes no sense... however it doesn't keep some from envisioning a Three Hebrew boys test i.e. play the music and you will bow down.....

It's not happening....

 

[Joe67]

Here is a story of one of the theorists.

Gen 9:18-27
18 And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan.
19 These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread.
20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:
21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.
24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. KJV

What was Ham doing in his father's tent without being invited?

Joe

 

[Kira Light]

It seems so strange to still be waiting for a Sunday law to happen 150 or so years after it was predicted. Especially when the prediction stated that this would come into effect well over 100 years ago. Is there no expiration date on this nonsense? In 500 years will people still consider it the "last days" and be waiting for the Pope to enforce a Sunday law? SDAism literally makes less sense with every passing day.

 

[ricker]

It seems so strange to still be waiting for a Sunday law to happen 150 or so years after it was predicted. Especially when the prediction stated that this would come into effect well over 100 years ago. Is there no expiration date on this nonsense? In 500 years will people still consider it the "last days" and be waiting for the Pope to enforce a Sunday law? SDAism literally makes less sense with every passing day.

Very true. I would allow that traditional SDAism many times makes little sense. In all fairness, however, some of the more progressive Adventists here don't adhere to all the silliness others in the denomination do. That is why I keep hoping.........

 

[Kira Light]

Very true. I would allow that traditional SDAism many times makes little sense. In all fairness, however, some of the more progressive Adventists here don't adhere to all the silliness others in the denomination do. That is why I keep hoping.........

I know many SDA's and all of them, when pressed, will agree there will be some form of Sunday law at some point. The whole remnant thing doesn't really make sense without it. The progressives around here are a new breed. I've literally never met one in real life and I went to SDA schools and churches my entire life.

Point being, I don't see mainstream SDA's abandoning the Sunday law stuff any time soon, because everything starts to fall apart when the importance of Sabbath keeping is diminished.

I mean, this prophecy failed completely over a CENTURY ago, and yet the SDA's are still waiting. It's like I predict a meteor is going to hit LA next week, and even after it fails to happen millions of people keep waiting for it for the next 150 years. Its enough to make me want to scream.

 

[Avonia]

It seems so strange to still be waiting for a Sunday law to happen 150 or so years after it was predicted. Especially when the prediction stated that this would come into effect well over 100 years ago. Is there no expiration date on this nonsense? In 500 years will people still consider it the "last days" and be waiting for the Pope to enforce a Sunday law?

How is this any more strange than waiting thousands of years for the second coming?

 

[StormyOne]

How is this any more strange than waiting thousands of years for the second coming?

BAM!!! there it is... the elephant in the room... could all the pastors, and theologians have gotten it wrong?

 

[Joe67]

Those who do not believe that Jesus will come, do not believe that he ascended.

Those who do not believe that he ascended, do not believe that he was raised from the dead.

Those who do not believe that he was raised from the dead, are still in their sins.

Those who do not believe that Jesus will return, are those who confess to believe in God, the Creator, only.

Jesus, our Lord, our God, told us that scoffers and gain sayers would have to appear first and do their work before he would appear; though he is near us that joyfully we might seek after him and be disciplined by him in preparation to live with him in body, mind and spirit.

Joe

 

[Kira Light]

How is this any more strange than waiting thousands of years for the second coming?

I would say the main way it is more strange is the Sunday law was prophesied by a woman who got no other prophecy correct. In fact, she got many things completely wrong. One thing about being the instrument of God is you can't really make any false prophesies and still be taken seriously.

 

[AzA]

Those who do not believe that Jesus will come, do not believe that he ascended.

Those who do not believe that he ascended, do not believe that he was raised from the dead.

Those who do not believe that he was raised from the dead, are still in their sins.

Those who do not believe that Jesus will return, are those who confess to believe in God, the Creator, only.

This is not wholly true.
But it would be nice if it were, because then it would be that much easier to critique these positions: "Unitarian? Heretic!"

Don't confuse believing differently with not believing at all.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

I know many SDA's and all of them, when pressed, will agree there will be some form of Sunday law at some point.

This has been my experience too. Although I acknowledge that are obviously some more progressive SDAs who aren't so sure.

The whole remnant thing doesn't really make sense without it.

It does seem to be tied into the tapestry that also includes a teaching about the mark of the beast and the seal of God.

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

AUSTIN– Gov. Rick Perry has proclaimed Sunday, June 27, 2010, as a Day of Prayer in Texas for the Gulf Coast, following the explosion and sinking of the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig that took 11 lives and has led to economic hardship for many others throughout the region.

Is this a blue law?

BFA

If I were a historic SDA, would I view this as "a sign of the times?" Should I?

BFA

 

[Joe67]

This is not wholly true.
But it would be nice if it were, because then it would be that much easier to critique these positions: "Unitarian? Heretic!"

Don't confuse believing differently with not believing at all.

AzA,

John 6:29
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. KJV

Rom 10:9
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. KJV

These two witnesses are different in their form of thought, while still being the same in spirit.

God sending Jesus and God raising Jesus are different in the direction of their movement; the difference in sending and gathering, but one in purpose.

There is salvation only in the name that God gave Jesus when he raised Jesus from the dead.

The one he raised from the dead and gathered back to heaven, is also the one that he sent from heaven.

Joe

 

[AzA]

This has been my experience too. Although I acknowledge that are obviously some more progressive SDAs who aren't so sure.

There are also a number of progressive SDAs who do not expect either a secular law universally mandating worship on Sunday or a secular law universally forbidding worship on Saturday.

 

[AzA]

If I were a historic SDA, would I view this as "a sign of the times?" Should I?

BFA

Perhaps there is another group that might be more appropriate to ask this? I.e. the Traditional Adventist subforum members?

 

[AzA]

God sending Jesus and God raising Jesus are different in the direction of their movement; the difference in sending and gathering, but one in purpose.

Wonderfully said. There are plenty of inversions and chiasms in the Christ story.

It's yet very easy to dismiss people's belief in the Christ as non-belief because it doesn't match one's own.

Christ himself was falsely accused of channeling Beelzebub.

 

[Avonia]

One thing about being the instrument of God is you can't really make any false prophesies and still be taken seriously.

If the measure is "no error" I don't think there has ever been "an instrument of God." Which makes the Holy Spirit seem a bit impotent.

I don't know that most of us understand symbolism well enough to judge a "false prophecy." I often seen people "leave the room" who are still sitting there.

The insistence of our belief in "the second coming" has greatly undermined our faith for a second coming.

 

[Joe67]

Wonderfully said. There are plenty of inversions and chiasms in the Christ story.

It's yet very easy to dismiss people's belief in the Christ as non-belief because it doesn't match one's own.

Christ himself was falsely accused of channeling Beelzebub.

AzA,

Truly, truly.

Nicodemus would have had difficulty communicating with the Samaritan woman and she would have had difficulty communicating with Nicodemus.

Joe