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[Loudmouth]

No it does not. The Bible does not say that. We clearly find Adam and Eve in the Garden in Eden 6,000 years ago. Science can verify that.

Then please show us this science.

 

[CabVet]

This is the same as we read in Jeremiah 4:23 "[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void; And to the heavens, and they had no light."[/FONT] In both cases this says the earth was in a state of ruin. Science tells us of at least 5 extinctions. So to read about this in the Bible should be no surprise for you.

And of course, you start with verse 2 and completely ignore verse 1. Starting from the beginning would be nice.

Two theorys abound for why there was no light. One is because of volcanic dust and the other theory is because of dust from a meteor. There is no beginning without an end and there is no end without a beginning. Even God knows the end from the beginning.

Neither "theory" can be linked to the first day.

Life is NOT random events as some people would suggest. Even Natural Selection shows this.

Yes, and you are the only one suggesting that "life is random events".

 

[CabVet]

Then please show us this science.

Here, I will save him the trouble:

Adam and Eve were the first Hebrews. The Bible is a history book of the Hebrew people. Non Hebrews are called gentiles. Yes I know that gentiles existed before Adam and Eve, they were hunter gathers. Adam and Eve were the first farmers. Adam was in the Garden of Eden to till the land.

I say Adam and Eve were real people. You say that other people existed before Adam and Eve. What is the connection? You are a real people and other people existed before you.

There is no conflict between science and the Bible. Science helps us to better understand our Bible.

Next he will go into his haplogroup J science twisting exercise.

We are NOT talking about Scientific Adam, that was MORE then 14,000 years ago. We are talking about the Jewish, Hebrew Adam that lived in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. haplogroup j1 j2 y-dna & mtDNA that Adam would have gotten from his mother. You know the mitochondrial, the part of the cell that is the powerhouse and converts energy. The part that they say was a bacteria at one time that got trapped inside of a cell.

 

[Loudmouth]

Here, I will save him the trouble:

I much prefer the actual demonstration by John. It is just stunning to see that he still doesn't understand how evidence works. If he was a prosecuting attorney in a murder trial, this is probably what his closing arguments would sound like . . .

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I present to you the scientific evidence that John Smith killed Joe Brown. What is that evidence, you ask? Simple. Joe Brown is dead."

He really thinks this is a convincing argument.

 

[CabVet]

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I present to you the scientific evidence that John Smith killed Joe Brown. What is that evidence, you ask? Simple. Joe Brown is dead."

Haha, good one!

 

[Joshua0035]

Then please show us this science.

It is not science, it is called Ancient History. Often Ancient History is based on Archeology. It is well known that farming started in the furtile crescent. In what they call Mespotamia. Adam in the Bible was the first to till the land. Actually one of the books I use was written in 1936. Even though we have a lot of new information there are still a lot of people that do not know as much as they knew back in 1936. You seem to be one of them. Still a lot of research has been done on this subject of WHO were the first farmers and how did farming become established in various parts of the world. This has to do with civilization. When people began to establish the first cities. We can look at what is essential to establish a big city. Mostly fresh water and an abundant supply of food. There is just no way I could teach you all you would need to know in a little post like this. The science involved has to do with the domestication of wild & ancient plants and animals in the middle east. There are a few professors at a few universities that are experts on this and have written books on the subject.

 

[CabVet]

It is not science, it is called Ancient History. Often Ancient History is based on Archeology. It is well known that farming started in the furtile crescent. In what they call Mespotamia.

Wow, you have been repeating this stuff for more than 5 years and still didn't learn how to spell fertile?

What has been called the Furtile Crescent or the Cradle of Civilization.

P.S.1: Archaeology is a science.

P.S.2: The fact that farming started in mesopotamia is as much evidence for the existence of Adam and Eve, as Ford being made in the US is evidence for OJ killing his wife.

 

[HitchSlap]

You guys need to learn that "nothing" is a big part of Creationism.

Not just a "big part," AV, "nothing" is the entirety of creationism.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not just a "big part," AV, "nothing" is the entirety of creationism.

Not exactly.

There were some things that were created ex mat...

Oh ... LOL ... I get it!

Ha! Ha!

 

[essentialsaltes]

When people began to establish the first cities.

Like at Çatalhöyük? From 7500 BCE, some 9,500 years ago?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

It is well known that farming started in the furtile crescent. In what they call Mespotamia.

No it isn't. And I've pointed this out to you before. At the moment the earliest signs of agriculture in Mesopotamia date to 7000BCE. The banks of the Nile have evidence of agriculture back to 8000BCE, as does China. And there was farming in the Levant as far back as 9500BCE.

What you are getting confused about is the scale of farming. Systematised, bigger scale farming is first seen in Mesopotamia, but sowing and harvesting on small scale originated elsewhere.

 

[Split Rock]

It is not science, it is called Ancient History. Often Ancient History is based on Archeology. It is well known that farming started in the furtile crescent. In what they call Mespotamia. Adam in the Bible was the first to till the land. Actually one of the books I use was written in 1936. Even though we have a lot of new information there are still a lot of people that do not know as much as they knew back in 1936. You seem to be one of them. Still a lot of research has been done on this subject of WHO were the first farmers and how did farming become established in various parts of the world. This has to do with civilization. When people began to establish the first cities. We can look at what is essential to establish a big city. Mostly fresh water and an abundant supply of food. There is just no way I could teach you all you would need to know in a little post like this. The science involved has to do with the domestication of wild & ancient plants and animals in the middle east. There are a few professors at a few universities that are experts on this and have written books on the subject.

I like how you go from what is "well known" (albeit not quite accurate) to "Adam in the Bible was the first to till the land," as if Adam were a part of what is "well known."