When would a topic on Mariology be in GT and when would it be in UT?

[OpenDoor]

I haven't noticed any topics on Mary in Unorthodox Theology and not every topic concerning Mary in here falls into the category of General Theology (IMO at least).

So what would be considered General Theology and what would be Unorthodox Theology on Mary?

 

[Ortho_Cat]

Saying that Christ wasn't born of a Virgin would be UT (because that's in the creed).

 

[OpenDoor]

Saying that Christ wasn't born of a Virgin would be UT (because that's in the creed).

agree

 

[Rhamiel]

claiming she became part of the Trinity would be unorthodox and heretical

 

[bbbbbbb]

Would claiming that she and Joseph enjoyed natural marital relations be considered unorthodox?

 

[justinangel]

I haven't noticed any topics on Mary in Unorthodox Theology and not every topic concerning Mary in here falls into the category of General Theology (IMO at least).

So what would be considered General Theology and what would be Unorthodox Theology on Mary?

The 4th century Marian heresies Collyridianism and Antidicomarianism (resurfaced in many branches of Protestantism) belong to the heterodoxal theology category. The former was an exaggeration of true orthodox Marian devotion, while the latter was a denial of it by errant sects. Both heresies were condemned by the proper governing Church authority.

PAX

 

[Rhamiel]

Would claiming that she and Joseph enjoyed natural marital relations be considered unorthodox?

lol that kind of depends on how you use the word orthodox
in relation to the Eastern Churches then it would be un-orthodox
if I was talking to a group of Catholics and one of them said that I would say that he was being very unorthodox
but since it is a common view of Protestantism that Mary and Joseph had "marital relations" if we are talking about Christianity in general I am not sure if you could call it unorthodox

in a strict sense I view any doctrine that does not line up with Catholic teaching as being unorthodox
edit- but I can see how the word can be used in other ways-

 

[justinangel]

Would claiming that she and Joseph enjoyed natural marital relations be considered unorthodox?

Absolutely!


"If anyone will not confess that the Word of God has two nativities, that which is before all ages from the Father, outside time and without a body, and secondly that nativity of these latter days when the Word of God came down from the heavens and was made flesh of holy and glorious Mary, mother of God and ever-virgin, and was born from her: let him be anathema."
Council of Constantinople ll (A.D. 553)

PAX

 

[justinangel]

....since it is a common view of Protestantism that Mary and Joseph had "marital relations" if we are talking about Christianity in general I am not sure if you could call it unorthodox.

in a strict sense I view any doctrine that does not line up with Catholic teaching as being unorthodox

Indeed, like the novel 16th century doctrine of sola fide, for instance, which wasn't taught by one Church Father or Doctor of the Church or endorsed by any ecumenical council, since the idea was generally unheard of until the reformation period. Even though sola fide essentially is a heterodox doctrine, since it is embraced by one opposing camp in Christendom, it deserves a place with general theology. It depends on the size of the population which embraces a teaching for it to be considered general.

PAX

 

[Ortho_Cat]

Would claiming that she and Joseph enjoyed natural marital relations be considered unorthodox?

The teaching that Mary remained an ever-virgin was taught uniformly through the first 15 centuries or so of Christendom, and even embraced by the early protestant reformers. In that sense, the development of the teaching to the contrary is indeed an unorthodox one.

For the purpose of this forum however, it is not unorthodox. Only that which goes against the creed.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Absolutely!


"If anyone will not confess that the Word of God has two nativities, that which is before all ages from the Father, outside time and without a body, and secondly that nativity of these latter days when the Word of God came down from the heavens and was made flesh of holy and glorious Mary, mother of God and ever-virgin, and was born from her: let him be anathema."
Council of Constantinople ll (A.D. 553)

PAX

Well, I suggest that all Protestants be evicted from every area of CF and confined in the concentration camp of Unorthodox Theology and that the rules for participation in CF be rewritten to restrict participation to only those who uphold and support Catholic dogma.

 

[bbbbbbb]

lol that kind of depends on how you use the word orthodox
in relation to the Eastern Churches then it would be un-orthodox
if I was talking to a group of Catholics and one of them said that I would say that he was being very unorthodox
but since it is a common view of Protestantism that Mary and Joseph had "marital relations" if we are talking about Christianity in general I am not sure if you could call it unorthodox

in a strict sense I view any doctrine that does not line up with Catholic teaching as being unorthodox
edit- but I can see how the word can be used in other ways-

Yes, orthodox for the purposes of CF is defined as being in agreement with the Nicene Creed. For that I am grateful because it permits valuable discussion to take place between members of a diverse set of Christian traditions and denominations, yet rejects members of truly unorthodox religions. As well all know, there are lots of forums on the internet where one can discuss matters with members of one's own denomination only. I am glad that CF is not one of these.

 

[justinangel]

Well, I suggest that all Protestants be evicted from every area of CF and confined in the concentration camp of Unorthodox Theology and that the rules for participation in CF be rewritten to restrict participation to only those who uphold and support Catholic dogma.

But many mainstream Protestants privately accept our Marian dogmas, although they are less reluctant to accept the teaching of the Immaculate Conception.

PAX

 

[Mark_Sam]

Would the denial of Mary as Theotokos (Mother of God) be considered unorthodox on CF? I mean, since it is not explicitly stated in the Nicene Creed?

 

[Rhamiel]

Would the denial of Mary as Theotokos (Mother of God) be considered unorthodox on CF? I mean, since it is not explicitly stated in the Nicene Creed?

for the purposes of CF? no I do not think it would be counted as unorthodox
but I would say that it is an unorthodox view