When will the loud cry begin?

rainbowinthesky · Feb 17, 2013

In adventism_prophecy@yahoogroups.com, someone asked:

When do you think the Loud Cry will begin?
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I replied:

This question is answered very clearly in the SoP. It will begin as soon as the sins of Babylon shall have reached unto heaven (Rev.18:5) and the sins of Babylon will have reached unto heaven when the law of God, to all intents and purposes, shall be made void in the United States of America through the enactment or enforcement of Sunday as the day of worship. And every country on the globe will follow the example of the US. Then the message of Rev.18:1-5 will become present truth, not before.

As to the seven heads of Revelation 17, unless we have the correct point of reference for the five that have fallen, the one that is, and the one that is yet to come, and then the eighth that was, is not, and is again, we shall only be able to speculate (as many have been until today) but we cannot afford to speculate on such a vital subject.

It is in the chapter itself that we find the point of reference. In verse three we read that John is taken in the Spirit into the "wilderness" in 1798 where he sees the papacy wounded to death, persecuted. She is then no longer on top but the tail, having lost her temporal supremacy at the hand of Atheistic France under Napoleon.

From this point it is clear that five have fallen: 1. Papal Rome 2. Pagan Rome 3. Greece 4. Medo Persia 5. Babylon.

In 1798 Atheism, having inflicted a "deadly wound" to the papacy, is the new head to contend with. Since 1798 Atheism has been the spiritual king of the south and it has been pushing at the spiritual king of the north (established religion as far as Christendom is concerned) and will continue to take the ascendency until the king of the north regains its lost temporal supremacy with the help of Apostate Protestantism who shall make in image to the papacy through the enforcement of Sunday which is the child of the papacy, and then her wound will be healed. Then the beast and its image will come against Atheism like a whirlwind and subdue it through the enforcement of Sunday (enforcement of religion). (Daniel 11:40)

So in 1798 five had fallen: Papal Rome, Pagan Rome, Greece, Medo-Persia, Babylon.

After 1798 one is, that is, Atheism which manifested itself first in France during the French Revolution. Atheism has taken the ascendancy ever since and today it is threatening Christendom like never before. I don't know if you have noticed but lately there have been several shows on tv showing how atheism has become the bane of Christendom.

So then the one that is "yet to come" is Apostate Protestantism. Apostate Protestantism does not have a kingdom as yet but it shall receive a kingdom when the State shall give it its power to enforce religion through Sunday worship. Thus the image of the beast will be made in the US first and will extend to every country on the globe.

Then the sins of Babylon the Great will have reached unto heaven and the loud cry will begin.

The eighth is the papacy whose wound shall be healed.

Before 1798 the papacy was like a queen reigning over the kings of the earth. After 1798 she was no more as far as her temporal supremacy was concerned. But she will be again when her wound shall be healed with the help of Apostate Protestantism.

Then the loud cry to the world will begin, not before.

sky

rainbowinthesky · Feb 17, 2013

-In adventism_prophecy@yahoogroups.com, "Stinson" <stinsonmarri@...> wrote:

"There is need of a much closer study of the Word of God; especially should
Daniel and the Revelation have attention as never before in the history of our
work. We may have less to say in some lines, in regard to the Roman power and the papacy." T.M p.112

Our eyes need eye salve so that they can see because we have hold on too long to the traditions of the Protestants' belief of the past. It is time to hear the prophets, repent, get ready because a war is brewing and not the way we have been traditionally taught. But by the Word of ELOHIM that has been there all alone, but it is time to get wisdom to understand the mystery HE has reveal through HIS SON by HIS angel written by John for us! Wake up and strive to be one of the 144,000 who will finish the work of the gospel into all the world. It will be finished during the worst time because we slept. Those who will hear the call the BRIDEGROOM is coming will pick up their lamps by spreading the Loud Cry and they all be known as the remnant that will go out and meet HIM!

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If you mean to say that the statement from T.M.112 means that we need to reposition ourselves as far as the papacy coming back into full power again, you are mistaken.

The reason these words were written was because the leaders were following in the track of Romanism. "They are following in the tracks of Romanism." Testimonies to Ministers,362 last sentence. On page 363 these words are explained:

"The devisings for forcing men to follow the prescriptions of other men are instituting an order of things that overrides sympathy and tender compassion, that blinds the eyes to mercy, justice, and the love of God. Moral influence and personal responsibility are trodden underfoot. The righteousness of Christ by faith (in His all-sufficient merits) has been ignored by some; for it is contrary to their spirit and their whole life experience. Rule, rule, has been their course of action. Satan has had an opportunity of representing himself... Humanity is hailed as God." 363,365.

The leaders were told that our church was a backsliding church narrowing the
distance between herself and the papacy. Certainly you have read these
statements before.

No wonder we had less to say about the papacy!

sky

rainbowinthesky · Feb 17, 2013

Greetings:

First of all the beast is the eighth that comes out of the seven:

And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. Rev 17:9-11

I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. Dan 7:11

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in THY Name: those that THOU gavest ME I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the Scripture might be fulfilled. John 17:12

What most have fail to see that the beast is the "son of perdition." I clearly stated that the woman was taken care of him, he at one time was a Catholic. He may be a Cardinal, priest or Bishop but someone that was very loved and groom most likely to be a Pope. Something is about to happen now and this man will turn from what he once believe in to despise it and it will cause him to turn completely away from ELOHIM! The woman or the papacy will be destroy by him, but he will be burned by YAHSHUA when HE comes along with USA, his false prophet.

Stinsonmarri
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The papacy is "of the seven" and she will be "the eighth" because she "will be again" in spite of the deadly wound in 1798. She will regain her temporal supremacy with the help of the seventh head when Apostate Protestantism shall receive a kingdom by receiving the power of the State in the US to enforce the child of the papacy.

sky

rainbowinthesky · Feb 19, 2013

rainbowinthesky said:
In adventism_prophecy@yahoogroups.com, someone asked:

When do you think the Loud Cry will begin?
___________________________________

I replied:

This question is answered very clearly in the SoP. It will begin as soon as the sins of Babylon shall have reached unto heaven (Rev.18:5) and the sins of Babylon will have reached unto heaven when the law of God, to all intents and purposes, shall be made void in the United States of America through the enactment or enforcement of Sunday as the day of worship. And every country on the globe will follow the example of the US. Then the message of Rev.18:1-5 will become present truth, not before.

As to the seven heads of Revelation 17, unless we have the correct point of reference for the five that have fallen, the one that is, and the one that is yet to come, and then the eighth that was, is not, and is again, we shall only be able to speculate (as many have been until today) but we cannot afford to speculate on such a vital subject.

It is in the chapter itself that we find the point of reference. In verse three we read that John is taken in the Spirit into the "wilderness" in 1798 where he sees the papacy wounded to death, persecuted. She is then no longer on top but the tail, having lost her temporal supremacy at the hand of Atheistic France under Napoleon.

From this point it is clear that five have fallen: 1. Papal Rome 2. Pagan Rome 3. Greece 4. Medo Persia 5. Babylon.

In 1798 Atheism, having inflicted a "deadly wound" to the papacy, is the new head to contend with. Since 1798 Atheism has been the spiritual king of the south and it has been pushing at the spiritual king of the north (established religion as far as Christendom is concerned) and will continue to take the ascendency until the king of the north regains its lost temporal supremacy with the help of Apostate Protestantism who shall make in image to the papacy through the enforcement of Sunday which is the child of the papacy, and then her wound will be healed. Then the beast and its image will come against Atheism like a whirlwind and subdue it through the enforcement of Sunday (enforcement of religion). (Daniel 11:40)

So in 1798 five had fallen: Papal Rome, Pagan Rome, Greece, Medo-Persia, Babylon.

After 1798 one is, that is, Atheism which manifested itself first in France during the French Revolution. Atheism has taken the ascendancy ever since and today it is threatening Christendom like never before. I don't know if you have noticed but lately there have been several shows on tv showing how atheism has become the bane of Christendom.

So then the one that is "yet to come" is Apostate Protestantism. Apostate Protestantism does not have a kingdom as yet but it shall receive a kingdom when the State shall give it its power to enforce religion through Sunday worship. Thus the image of the beast will be made in the US first and will extend to every country on the globe.

Then the sins of Babylon the Great will have reached unto heaven and the loud cry will begin.

The eighth is the papacy whose wound shall be healed.

Before 1798 the papacy was like a queen reigning over the kings of the earth. After 1798 she was no more as far as her temporal supremacy was concerned. But she will be again when her wound shall be healed with the help of Apostate Protestantism.

Then the loud cry to the world will begin, not before.

sky

"A time is coming when the law of God is, in a special sense, to be made void in the land." E.G.White, Review & Herald, Dec.18,1888.

"The sins of the world will have reached unto heaven when the law of God is made void, when the Sabbath of the Lord is trampled in the dust, and men are compelled to accept in its stead an institution of the papacy through the strong hand of the law of the land." E.G. White, Review & Herald, Nov.5,1899.

These two statements make it perfectly clear as to when the sins of Babylon shall have reached unto heaven. It will be when the law of God is made void, when Sunday shall be enforced. Then and then only will the law of God, to all
intents and purposes, be made void in the land. And "this national apostasy will be followed by national ruin." Review & Herald, Dec.18,1888.

Then the message of Revelation 18:1-5 will be present truth, not before. Then the loud cry to the world will begin, not before.

This is just another way of saying that at that time this nation will have disconnected herself FULLY from righteousness:

"By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself FULLY from righteousness." Testimonies, Vol.5,451.

To disconnect one's self fully from righteousness is to have one's sins reached unto heaven.

This decree has not yet been passed. When the decree is passed then and then only will the loud cry be proclaimed by God's chosen vessels.

These statements above are very clear. They cannot be misconstrued or controverted.

No one needs be deceived.

The message of Revelation 18:1-5 is still future.

sky

Castaway57 · Feb 19, 2013

rainbowinthesky said:
If you mean to say that the statement from T.M.112 means that we need to reposition ourselves as far as the papacy coming back into full power again, you are mistaken.

The reason these words were written was because the leaders were following in the track of Romanism. "They are following in the tracks of Romanism." Testimonies to Ministers,362 last sentence. On page 363 these words are explained:

"The devisings for forcing men to follow the prescriptions of other men are
instituting an order of things that overrides sympathy and tender compassion,
that blinds the eyes to mercy, justice, and the love of God. Moral influence and personal responsibility are trodden underfoot. The righteousness of Christ by faith (in His all-sufficient merits) has been ignored by some; for it is contrary to their spirit and their whole life experience. Rule, rule, has been
their course of action. Satan has had an opportunity of representing himself...
Humanity is hailed as God." 363,365.

The leaders were told that our church was a backsliding church narrowing the
distance between herself and the papacy. Certainly you have read these
statements before.

No wonder we had less to say about the papacy!

sky

Perhaps; it is actually the case, that some of our leaders have less to say about what you call "papacy" because, contrary to the poison your spread on the internet about the Adventist Church, and especially leadership, some of our leaders have learned what they were supposed to from our past, and they now have more to say about Jesus, than they do "papacy" (if you even know what that is), and it would of course be the case then that this is why they have less to say about a lot of things that fanatics tend to over-emphasize, and embellish in such a way as to make their "private interpretations" fit.

God has promised in Jer 3:15 to give us Pastors "after His own heart;" and you insult His word and reject the truth for the endtimes we live in when you defy it like this with your blatant misuse of the spirit of prophecy.

Castaway57 · Feb 19, 2013

rainbowinthesky said:
"A time is coming when the law of God is, in a special sense, to be made void in the land." E.G.White, Review & Herald, Dec.18,1888.

No one needs be deceived.

sky

You obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about. The biggest deception on the internet today are lone wolf malcontents who misuse the spirit of prophecy in ways that spoil the message of truth as depicted in the Bible, or in Ellen White's writings. The message you try to preach here doesn't even come close to either.

There will be national, and international religious laws coming up. But these are not the points to be emphasized in these times. Christ, and Christ alone, are to be emphasized; Christ and Him crucified, and Christ in us, our testimony to a broken world about who He is and what He has done in us, and what He will do for others; enough of your negative, untruthful barbs is what I would say.

Infact; if you were to start listening to what Ellen White says about the misuse of her writings; you would then realize that the Bible calls prophecy a light in the dark, (2 Pet 1:19), it calls prophecy "a light that shineth in a dark place." But all you present here with your quibblings is darkness. Nothing, or next to nothing about Jesus; and He is, and always will be THE CENTER of all Bible prophecy.

I remain thankful that this is how the Adventist church views it on an official basis. Your posts are proof that the Bible is right in saying that people will fight harder and harder against the teachings of Jesus as time advances.

TheOmegaMan19 · Feb 21, 2013

Castaway57 said:
There will be national, and international religious laws coming up. But these are not the points to be emphasized in these times. Christ, and Christ alone, are to be emphasized

Disagreed. We worship Christ in all the work that we do. That never goes on the shelf as we pick up a new duty that God calls us to do. Emphasizing Christ takes place in everything we partake in, from giving thanks for a bowl of oatmeal in the morning to asking for blessing when I'm repairing my car to teaching prophecy to people we meet on the streets.

And truth be told, we need to be hitting the streets. Virtually the entire civilized world are sitting in dead churches, mosques, and synagogues. The people are looking for God in those buildings, and Satan is giving them the "god" that he decides they should have. Meanwhile, the rest of the masses have been sedated between the ears with pop culture.

"There followed another angel, saying, 'Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.'" (Revelation 14:8 KJV)

The second angel's message is a call to repentance. The second angel's message is a call for Christians attending fallen churches ("Babylon") to leave those churches and join the true remnant church that follows Gods truth. And the message of Sunday legislation and the 501c3 image (relig-political churches) message is being shouted as well.

I don't care if this duty seems like I'm "attacking" other belief systems. Many will think so (that too, is prophecied). We're Elijah, the one that is accused of "troubling Israel." So be it. The few that come out of Babylon make it worth it. And yes, we emphasize Christ as we do this... if we didn't, it wouldn't be out of true love.

The beasts of Revelation aren't just sitting around emphasizing Satan. They're working the final kinks out of their highly efficient killing machine as we speak. Their duties are progressive. Should we be dwelling in our 501c3 churches, sleeping? Or should we be making our final adjustments, too?

Fact of the matter is this...Sunday laws are coming sooner than you think. And whether anyone likes it or not, the papal system is antichrist. And any denial of that identity or the work we must do to pull people from its tentacles is a denial of the commandments set forth by the Most High God.

Listen, I'm not perfect...far from it. If I don't make it, then helping others to get there is the next best thing. But I won't sit around and be idle and argue biblical opinions or viewpoints.

The time is now to get the lamp oil.

rainbowinthesky · Feb 22, 2013

Right on OM!

Only very few adventists will make it to the kingdom.

The majority are blind following the blind as in Christ's day.

But nevertheless the last message of mercy is first proclaimed
to them before it swells into the loud cry to the world.

The parable of Matt.22 tells us that this last message of mercy
to the bidden ones (second call of the parable) will not only be
rejected but the bearers of the message will be persecuted as
they were in Christ's day before the disciples turned to the
Gentiles. But this last offer of mercy must be proclaimed tothem
anyway so that they will have no excuse in the judgement.

sky

Stryder06 · Feb 22, 2013

TheOmegaMan19 said:
Disagreed. We worship Christ in all the work that we do. That never goes on the shelf as we pick up a new duty that God calls us to do. Emphasizing Christ takes place in everything we partake in, from giving thanks for a bowl of oatmeal in the morning to asking for blessing when I'm repairing my car to teaching prophecy to people we meet on the streets.

And truth be told, we need to be hitting the streets. Virtually the entire civilized world are sitting in dead churches, mosques, and synagogues. The people are looking for God in those buildings, and Satan is giving them the "god" that he decides they should have. Meanwhile, the rest of the masses have been sedated between the ears with pop culture.

"There followed another angel, saying, 'Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.'" (Revelation 14:8 KJV)

The second angel's message is a call to repentance. The second angel's message is a call for Christians attending fallen churches ("Babylon") to leave those churches and join the true remnant church that follows Gods truth. And the message of Sunday legislation and the 501c3 image (relig-political churches) message is being shouted as well.

I don't care if this duty seems like I'm "attacking" other belief systems. Many will think so (that too, is prophecied). We're Elijah, the one that is accused of "troubling Israel." So be it. The few that come out of Babylon make it worth it. And yes, we emphasize Christ as we do this... if we didn't, it wouldn't be out of true love.

The beasts of Revelation aren't just sitting around emphasizing Satan. They're working the final kinks out of their highly efficient killing machine as we speak. Their duties are progressive. Should we be dwelling in our 501c3 churches, sleeping? Or should we be making our final adjustments, too?

Fact of the matter is this...Sunday laws are coming sooner than you think. And whether anyone likes it or not, the papal system is antichrist. And any denial of that identity or the work we must do to pull people from its tentacles is a denial of the commandments set forth by the Most High God.

Listen, I'm not perfect...far from it. If I don't make it, then helping others to get there is the next best thing. But I won't sit around and be idle and argue biblical opinions or viewpoints.

The time is now to get the lamp oil.

I think you have some very valid points here. May I ask you what you mean by "hitting the streets"?

TheOmegaMan19 · Feb 22, 2013

Stryder06 said:
I think you have some very valid points here. May I ask you what you mean by "hitting the streets"?

No problem...it's just a simple way of saying we should be sharing the truth with those that aren't within our church - and I don't necessarily mean a building, but those that know what we know. We have the truth, and each of us will use or misuse this blessing. But the ones that need to hear it aren't found within our circle. Kind of like us being Israel..and like the apostles, we have to leave our physical Israel and share what we know with the gentiles in other lands.

rainbowinthesky · Feb 22, 2013

OM, my understanding is that not until the bidden ones of the parable have rejected the second call and sealed their rejection of God's mercy will the bearers of the message turn to the Gentiles. This is what the disciples of Christ did. Pentecost was the second call to the Jews. The first call came before the crucifixion and it was rejected. It is the rejection of the second call that closes probation for the church. 1888 was the first call. It was rejected. We are now living in the time of the second call. The third call of the parable is the loud cry to the world and it will coincide with the enforcement of Sunday and the sins of Babylon will have reached unto heaven then. Then Revelation 18:1-5 will be present truth and it will go with mighty power as the bearers of the message are persecuted out of the professed church of Christ.

But of course this does not prevent us from sharing the light with our neighbors or acquaintances. But the focus must be on the lost sheep of Irsrael before it swells into the loud cry to the world.

What say you?

I assume that not many have taken the time to take a close look at the parable of Matt.22 with it starting point on Oct.22 1844 when Jesus passed from the Holy to the Most Holy Place.

sky

TheOmegaMan19 · Feb 22, 2013

rainbowinthesky said:
OM, my understanding is that not until the bidden ones of the parable have rejected the second call and sealed their rejection of God's mercy will the bearers of the message turn to the Gentiles. This is what the disciples of Christ did. Pentecost was the second call to the Jews. The first call came before the crucifixion and it was rejected. It is the rejection of the second call that closes probation for the church. 1888 was the first call. It was rejected. We are now living in the time of the second call. The third call of the parable is the loud cry to the world and it will coincide with the enforcement of Sunday and the sins of Babylon will have reached unto heaven then. Then Revelation 18:1-5 will be present truth and it will go with mighty power as the bearers of the message are persecuted out of the professed church of Christ.

But of course this does not prevent us from sharing the light with our neighbors or acquaintances. But the focus must be on the lost sheep of Irsrael before it swells into the loud cry to the world.

What say you?

I assume that not many have taken the time to take a close look at the parable of Matt.22 with it starting point on Oct.22 1844 when Jesus passed from the Holy to the Most Holy Place.

sky

That's interesting. Thanks for sharing. As far as the call-outs go, I can't say there is ever a bad time to get out there and talk to people that we encounter in our daily lives. Baptists, Muslims, Catholics, etc.

I believe we should never cease from bringing our faith outside of our house, because then our religion becomes inward. BUT, I do believe that the call to the gentiles WILL be louder and more significant in the future - and I believe that is when God recognizes this as the loud cry.

My convictions tell me that the loud cry is something that is preceded by a slow progression in the volume of the voices going out. It won't occur instantaneously, and it is a great work that God has appointed to us. If the loud cry is to "stand and walk," then the "crawling" should be happening now. And the only way to do this is to talk to others, share our faith, and reveal to them the astonishing prophecies that was shared with me in 2008, when I was a staunch Catholic. It will not happen overnight, at the very stroke of the appointed time. It will gain steam one new voice at a time, and the time prophecy of the loud cry will be fulfilled. But we should be progressive and move God's work forward. And when the people wake up, the voice will cry loudly, and it will happen in time for the mark.

By the way, I've read the EGW writings you have been posting. Thanks for that.

Castaway57 · Feb 23, 2013

rainbowinthesky said:
OM, my understanding is that not until the bidden ones of the parable have rejected the second call and sealed their rejection of God's mercy will the bearers of the message turn to the Gentiles. This is what the disciples of Christ did. Pentecost was the second call to the Jews. The first call came before the crucifixion and it was rejected. It is the rejection of the second call that closes probation for the church. 1888 was the first call. It was rejected. We are now living in the time of the second call. The third call of the parable is the loud cry to the world and it will coincide with the enforcement of Sunday and the sins of Babylon will have reached unto heaven then. Then Revelation 18:1-5 will be present truth and it will go with mighty power as the bearers of the message are persecuted out of the professed church of Christ.

But of course this does not prevent us from sharing the light with our neighbors or acquaintances. But the focus must be on the lost sheep of Irsrael before it swells into the loud cry to the world.

What say you?

I assume that not many have taken the time to take a close look at the parable of Matt.22 with it starting point on Oct.22 1844 when Jesus passed from the Holy to the Most Holy Place.

sky

Where does it say in Mat 22 that the starting point of that chapter was Oct 22, 1844? Some of us have been reading it; have read it, and it's actually not there.

The wedding garment represents “the righteousness of Christ”

Hence, the rejection of the garment represents the rejection of those traits of character that qualify men to become sons and daughters of God. Like the guests in the parable, we have nothing suitable of our own to wear. We are acceptable in the presence of the great God only when clad in the perfect righteousness of Jesus Christ, by virtue of His merits. This is the “white raiment” Christians are counseled to buy (see Rev. 3:18; cf. ch. 19:8).

There is nothing in the Bible to prove this process waited till 1844 to take place.

Huusoku · Mar 2, 2013

rainbowinthesky said:
through the enactment or enforcement of Sunday as the day of worship.

rainbowinthesky said:
make in image to the papacy through the enforcement of Sunday

rainbowinthesky said:
when the State shall give it its power to enforce religion through Sunday worship.

It's not the enforcement of Sunday worship that should worry us. Rather it's forcing people to not worship on Saturday the Sabbath. Forcing us to go to church on Sunday would be nice, we'd get a second uninterrupted day in a row of praising our creator.

Huusoku

Huusoku · Mar 2, 2013

TheOmegaMan19: X2 - I agree that we need to break away from being lukewarm!

rainbowinthesky · Mar 2, 2013

This thread is specifically for Seventh-day Adventists who are serious about knowing where we are in the unrolling of the prophetic scroll.

In the book The Great Controversy, Mrs. White connects Matt.22 with the event of Christ passing from the Holy to the Most Holy Place of the sanctuary in Heaven on Oct.22, 1844.

On page 428 we read these words:

"In the parable of Matt.22 the same figure of the marriage is introduced, and the investigative judgment is clearly represented as taking place before the marriage. Previous to the wedding the King comes in to see the guests, to see if all are attired in the wedding garment, the spotless robe of character washed and made white in the blood of the Lamb. Matt.22:11: Rev.7:14 quoted... This work of examination of character, of determining who are prepared for the kingdom of God, is that of the investigative judgment, the closing work in the sanctuary above."

On page 427 we read these words, "At the appointed time the Bridegroom came, not to the earth, as the people expected, but to the Ancient of Days in Heaven, to the marriage, the reception of His kingdom."

These statements make it very clear that this parable is a prophecy that Jesus spoke more for us than for the Jews for it is with the finishing of the work in this earth that He was most interested in. When Jesus spoke this parable He was looking down the ages with His eyes fixed upon 1844. He saw how the wedding would not take place because of unbelief and therefore unreadiness on the part of His people (G.C.457,458); He saw the giving of the first call of the parable in 1888 and how the message and the messengers He sent would be rejected, (1 S.M.234,235; T.M.467); He saw the close of probation for His professed church by the rejection of the second call of the parable, (we are living in the time of this final call to the bidden ones of the parable); He saw the giving of the loud cry by His chosen messengers as the sins of Babylon the Great had reach unto heaven when the law of God is made void in the land through the enactment of the Sunday Law; next He saw the judgment of the living at the end of the loud cry coinciding with the great final test (death decree), then the general close of probation, the great time of trouble for the wicked and the time of Jacob's trouble for the true people of God and their being translated without seeing death coinciding with the general resurrection and the coming of Christ in the clouds of heaven.

sky

TheOmegaMan19 · Mar 2, 2013

Huusoku said:
It's not the enforcement of Sunday worship that should worry us. Rather it's forcing people to not worship on Saturday the Sabbath. Forcing us to go to church on Sunday would be nice, we'd get a second uninterrupted day in a row of praising our creator.

Huusoku

I love typology, because the past returns to happen again in the future. God really gives us history as a guide when we align previous events with prophecy (correctly, of course).

With that said, Rome originally allowed for Saturday to remain the Sabbath. However, Sunday was also observed, but as more of a festive day. Over time, Sunday was elevated and Saturday was pushed down, to the point of persecution.

That's actually where the two-day weekend came from. Funny when you think about "weekend," because you only need ONE day to end a week. It would be like using two bookends on one side of a book shelf. Makes no sense. But that's why.

When Sunday is declared as a day of rest...yippie. We just ignore it and continue to rest Saturday. BUT when the 7th day is again banned, that's where the mark of the beast will have its teeth.

Huusoku · Mar 2, 2013

TheOmegaMan19 said:
That's actually where the two-day weekend came from. Funny when you think about "weekend," because you only need ONE day to end a week. It would be like using two bookends on one side of a book shelf. Makes no sense. But that's why.

Wow I never knew this! Very interesting! So Sunday would have been a normal work day, as it makes sense, "Six days shalt thou labor" ... We all just became lazy(er).

I am of course aware of past persecutions, also I believe this happened more recently when the United States was being colonized. This thought never occurred to me until I was sharing it with a non-SDA friend. He simply asked me, "What's wrong with going to church twice a week?" Of course the two are one in the same, meaning as you say regarding the beasts teeth, and thank you for not misunderstanding my intent which was to not overlook the serious issue at hand.

Huusoku

TheOmegaMan19 · Mar 2, 2013

Huusoku said:
Wow I never knew this! Very interesting! So Sunday would have been a normal work day, as it makes sense, "Six days shalt thou labor" ... We all just became lazy(er).

I am of course aware of past persecutions, also I believe this happened more recently when the United States was being colonized. This thought never occurred to me until I was sharing it with a non-SDA friend. He simply asked me, "What's wrong with going to church twice a week?" Of course the two are one in the same, meaning as you say regarding the beasts teeth, and thank you for not misunderstanding my intent which was to not overlook the serious issue at hand.

Huusoku

Yep. It would have never worked if Sunday immediately replaced Saturday. You have to slowly condition the people, and thats the only reason why Rome initially allowed Saturday to hang around. Kind of like boiling a frog - if the frog is placed in a pot of boiling water, he will leap out right away. But if you place him in a pot of room temperature water, then SLOWLY turn up the heat, he'll be ignorant and end up cooked.

Even if we keep the Sabbath and are aware of prophecy, Sunday STILL kind of lingers as the second day in a row that the "average working Joe" gets to relax. It's conveniently there, toe to toe with the real deal. In fact, being a Catholic for my first 26 years has had a lasting effect on my mind in alot of ways. I STILL immediately identify Sunday as the last day of the week before my week starts all over for me again. Of course I consciously correct myself, but its in my subconscious mind.

With that said, Saturday is the day for formal church gathering, but I could do bible studies with people any other day of the week. We rest on the 7th, but its profitable to stay in the Word every day - even if its brief on some days (like for me, I'm in the Occupational Therapy program and it stretches me thin at times). I'm sure you know what I'm trying to say.

...and I totally get what you're saying. What good (bad) is the mark if you could simply IGNORE IT? From what I've learned, Satan's counterfeit "Jesus" appearances at the end is what will trigger the deadly stance against the 7th day.

I mean, if a person is not educated AT ALL in the scriptures, and this dazzling entity shows up claiming to be Christ, heals and blesses people - then pronounces that Sabbath-keepers are blaspheming him by keeping the Sabbath, imagine the hatred aimed towards us. I mean, the masses are looking for anything supernatural to show up for them...especially with all this alien garbage that we hear about. Hook. Line. Sinker.

The people are prepped. It will be child's play for Satan.

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