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When Will Christ Return?

What year range do you believe Jesus Christ will return in?

  • 2010 - 2020

  • 2020 - 2030

  • 2030 - 2040

  • Beyond 2040

  • I don't know


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Sorry, I read it wrong. But that doesn't discount all the other things that I said and that it is going to happen very soon. They believe they can actually build the new Jerusalem, and that the the lion will lay with the lamb after they build the temple. The new Jerusalem is being built by God, not by men, and Christ said my kingdom is not of this world. So we must watch out and be on guard that we are not deceived into believing that we can make this world better. The anti christ will seem like he is making everything better for the world, but he will be deceiving many. But they are pushing very hard for these things to happen, and there are many signs that we see are going on now, that the word talks about will happen in the end times. If you read this whole link, it is exactly lining up with the word of how all of these things will happen and what will take place first.

[bless and do not curse] [bless and do not curse] [bless and do not curse] coming[bless and do not curse] 3rd[bless and do not curse] Jerusalem[bless and do not curse] Temple [bless and do not curse] [bless and do not curse] [bless and do not curse]
 
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I think Christ will return in the 2030s for several reasons:

1) The 2030s will be exactly 2000 years after Christ left. God has a thing with numbers, and Christ has a 1000 year reign. It could be that Jesus Christ returns 2000 years after he ascended into heaven.


This is an interesting line of thinking. I know a lot of people thought Christ would return around the year 2000 but in reality the 2030's make more sense. Yes, it wouldn't surprise me if Christ returned in the 2030's I voted with the original poster.
 
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Sorry, I read it wrong. But that doesn't discount all the other things that I said and that it is going to happen very soon.

No, it's ok. The Jewish temple has always been something that the Jews have wanted to rebuild. They will do it as soon as they are able, believe me.

The anti christ will seem like he is making everything better for the world, but he will be deceiving many.

That is a good observation. In Revelation the white horseman (the antichrist) comes first - then the red horseman. Notice that the red horseman has power to TAKE PEACE from the earth. That means the antichrist must establish peace on the planet at the beginning.

Anyways, good observations.

This is an interesting line of thinking. I know a lot of people thought Christ would return around the year 2000 but in reality the 2030's make more sense. Yes, it wouldn't surprise me if Christ returned in the 2030's I voted with the original poster.

Indeed. I have a thread where I speculate that Jesus Christ will return in the year 2038. Here is the link:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7649159-6/
 
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No, it's ok. The Jewish temple has always been something that the Jews have wanted to rebuild. They will do it as soon as they are able, believe me.



That is a good observation. In Revelation the white horseman (the antichrist) comes first - then the red horseman. Notice that the red horseman has power to TAKE PEACE from the earth. That means the antichrist must establish peace on the planet at the beginning.

Anyways, good observations.



Indeed. I have a thread where I speculate that Jesus Christ will return in the year 2038. Here is the link:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7649159-6/
I would disagree with your assertion that that the "White Horse" is antichrist. The passage says:
Rev 6:2:
2 I looked, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.


The Rider has "a crown"...he is the only rider wearing a crown and He goes out "conquering and to conquer". In my estimation this would be be Christ who conquered death. He is currently conquering through the Church and will return in the ultimate conquer.

The bow reminds me of the many passages in the OT in which God shoots His arrows at the wicked. The white horse is white because it speaks of righteousness.

The Red Horse is Satan...he brings war and everything identified with Satan is red throughout Revelation.

Nothing white is associated to Satan/antichrist throughout Revelation...everything white is is associated with God.

The next time you see a rider on a White Horse it is Christ coming in judgment
 
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The bow reminds me of the many passages in the OT in which God shoots His arrows at the wicked. The white horse is white because it speaks of righteousness.

Could it also be the bow of Gog?

"3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand." Ezek. 39:3

[/quote]Nothing white is associated to Satan/antichrist throughout Revelation...everything white is is associated with God. [/quote]

But if he is the antichrist, wouldn't it make sense for him to impersonate Christ? Hence, the color white?
 
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I believe that the rapture of the church is the next event in the program of God. Israel is back in the land and hated by the surrounding people. The stage is set. The Millennium could be ushered in before the decade is over! It is also possible that some more time will pass and the days will become...well even darker. Watch the Nation of Israel, its Gods prophetic time clock.


I believe that the rapture of the church is the next event in the program of God.

How could you possibly say such a thing in light of this scripture

1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

For that Day will not come unless the man of sin comes first!

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Wouldn't it be wonderful if the Rapture came on a Christmas?:clap:
well, it will be on the last day, that's for sure...
it will be after the Lord brings the righteous dead with Him from heaven
and raises them here first, incorruptible...the resurrection

there is no such thing as a pre trib rapture
 
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How could you possibly say such a thing in light of this scripture

1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

For that Day will not come unless the man of sin comes first!

JLB

Been there, done that. Titus. See what the Romans carried away? Did you not know what Titus had sacrificed to his Eagle standard? Seriously, it's not hard. Jesus could return to judge this world at ANY MOMENT, whether in 5 seconds or 50,000 years. We don't know.
Siege of Jerusalem (70) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
800px-Arch_of_Titus_Menorah.png
 
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Been there, done that. Titus. See what the Romans carried away? Did you not know what Titus had sacrificed to his Eagle standard? Seriously, it's not hard. Jesus could return to judge this world at ANY MOMENT, whether in 5 seconds or 50,000 years. We don't know.
Siege of Jerusalem (70) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
800px-Arch_of_Titus_Menorah.png

By your response, I take it that you are suggesting that Titus was the man of sin, son of perdition?

Then I guess you believe Jesus Christ returned in 70 Ad and destroyed Titus with the brightness of His coming?

And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders... 2 Thessalonians 2:8-9

Is that what you are wanting us to believe?


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Could it also be the bow of Gog?

"3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand." Ezek. 39:3
Nothing white is associated to Satan/antichrist throughout Revelation...everything white is is associated with God. [/quote]

But if he is the antichrist, wouldn't it make sense for him to impersonate Christ? Hence, the color white?[/quote]
I thought it was the antichrist, but I read the visions of the children of Adullam from H.A. Baker and they saw angels following the rider on the white horse and demons following the antichrist and the rider on the red horse. http://www.godspeak.net/veil/veil_8.html
 
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By your response, I take it that you are suggesting that Titus was the man of sin, son of perdition?
No, not the 'man of lawlessness'... that's another verse personifying evil and basically warns us not to hide evil in our heats because when the Lord returns, everything will be revealed. So don't combine two verse that don't belong together!

Here in this gospel prophecy Jesus is telling them an actual prophecy with actual instructions: when the Romans kick down these buildings, you've got to do something! You've got to run to the hills! Run for your lives! Get out of Jerusalem, because it's all coming down. As the picture above shows, AD70 fulfils the prophecy perfectly. I can't help it if you add the symbolic imagery of the 'man of lawlessness' into the literal prophecies that were literally fulfilled in AD70. As far as I can tell, you have the burden of proof. You have to prove that the 'man of lawlessness' is anything to do with anything to do with the same prophecy in the gospels, not just assume.

If anything, Thessalonians borrows from Jesus prophecy to remind everyone that there will be judgement for any 'men of lawlessness' that are out there persecuting God's people. Remember: this antiChrist business is plural.

1 John 2:18
18Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
22Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

(In the world 2000 years ago!)

2 John 1:7
7Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

To me that's generic descriptions of many, many, many people. I read this as saying the spirit of antichrist has always been with us and that there is no special antichrist period we are waiting for.

I don't think there are any specific prophecies about an AntiChrist left in the bible! The specific stuff was fulfilled in AD70.

1. The Beasts in Revelation.
John's "beasts" are a symbolic amalgamation of Daniel's beasts. He takes bits and pieces of the 4 beasts of Daniel and welds them together into one super-beast. Daniel's vision is broken down into a specific kingdom by kingdom prophecy: John's apocalyptic writing doesn't do any such thing. That is because it's a sermon, not a timetable. It's generic writing for all ages. John is in effect saying that *any* time worldly governments persecute God's people they are a beast. It's generic writing describing *any* government that sets itself up against Christians, not a *specific* description of any one specific event. Also please consider that John does not use the term Anti-Christ here.

2. The Dragon of Revelation.
The Dragon is Satan, and this scene is where Satan tries to persecute Mary and kill Jesus, the incarnate son of God. These few Chapters are a gospel recap: the story so far. They are not prophetic so much as a gospel tract within Revelation to make some statements about the infallibility of God's plans. The lady with the 12 stars runs do the desert as God's people have done in exodus and God's prophets have done in times of persecution. It's the language of seeking refuge. God gives his church periods of refuge in the terrible persecution of these Last Days (since Acts 2 and counting...)

3. The man of lawlessness.
As my good mate Dr Greg Clarke says:

“But is there going to be one mega-evil ruler who will deceive the world and lead millions astray and do things like brand ‘666’ on their foreheads?
Probably not. There are passages in the Bible, which talk about a particular being that is Christ's foe (e.g., “the man of lawlessness” in 2 Thessalonians 2 or the dragon of Revelation 12-13 who is identified as the Devil). But this kind of symbolic language is used to describe an attitude or spirit of evil rather than a single evil person. The fact that some parts of Scripture bring ultimate evil to a head by using an individual character to identify it probably says more about how dramatic literature operates than it does about predicting history.”

The devil you know | The Briefing

Or try Luke Woodhouse:
To explain this present spiritual reality in 2 Thessalonians 2, Paul draws a picture of the last days, when the man known as ‘lawlessness’ will be exposed. On that day, rebellion at its highest magnitude will be revealed for all to see. Comparisons with ‘lawless’ figures over history have often been distractions for Christians, in that they miss the picture Paul sketches. But comparisons should not be totally dismissed. The global outrage at figures like Adolf Hitler is a rare opportunity to see the secret power of lawlessness brought out into the open and examined. It is a moment where the whole world stops and notices anarchy with its disguise removed. It's a glimpse of hell.
Getting refocused on the return of Jesus | The Briefing

Or Try this 5 minute video by the Dean of St Andrew's Cathedral, Sydney, Phillip Jensen.
Video | Antichrist: Who Is He? | Phillip Jensen

So basically I just feel sad for Christians obsessed with tracking down one almighty 'antiChrist' figure when there are clearly many AntiChrists. I feel sad for futurists who see Revelation as some sort of future timetable instead of a generic sermon about trusting God in these Last Days, of 2000 years and counting. I feel sad that so many modern evangelicals have abandoned the Covenant Theology Amil position of the great Reformation thinkers. Last Days cults are a dime a dozen, and Christians that become obsessed with all their (contradictory) last days timetables, whether Pre-Trib, Post-Trib, Pre-Mil, Post-Mil, and whatever, are often fair game for cults. It's just sad.
 
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If I may ask a few questions regarding whether or not there is such thing as pre-trib..

In regards to Revelation 4:1 -

After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

After this verse, there is no mention of the church being still on earth (I could be wrong, I'm still trying to learn the different opinions and whatnot). This being the reason why I think there is a pre-trib rapture.

From the little research I've done, the word rapture is in the bible, but in a different translation from an older language text. I don't have it off-hand (currently at work), but if needed I'd have to find the podcast of where I heard it from. It was a podcast from Jack Van Impe, i don't know what your opinion of him is, but I've been listening for a few years now.

Back to what I was talking about though, I don't understand that if there is no such thing as a pre-trib rapture of our good Lord taking up the true Christians who have a personal relationship with him, why he would let us (the living) go through the 7 years of hell, since we were the ones that chose him versus the rest of the earth.

I've also always thought that we wouldn't be here to see the Anti-Christ arise due to the rapture. Also when it comes to the rapture, all the things that occur cannot happen with the Holy Spirit on the earth, thus with us getting caught up in the clouds with Christ, the Holy Spirit would go up with us.

One last question, when it comes to the rising of the dead before the 7 years, does it mention how long this takes place before the 7 years begins. (I'm basing this on yall's belief that there is no such thing as a rapture).

Thanks for answering my questions, looking forward to reading yall's responses.
 
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Back to what I was talking about though, I don't understand that if there is no such thing as a pre-trib rapture of our good Lord taking up the true Christians who have a personal relationship with him, why he would let us (the living) go through the 7 years of hell, since we were the ones that chose him versus the rest of the earth.
Once again futurists, who read Revelation as a prescriptive description of actual future history instead of seeing it as an allegorical description of ALL history between the Resurrection and the Return, end up unintentionally patronising earlier Christians by minimising the suffering they went through!

* Covenant Amils see John as writing to comfort Christians ALREADY going through terrible tribulations in HIS generation. John explicitly wrote to Christians in HIS generation to obey his instructions. The very first paragraph states: "What must soon take place"... "because the time is near".
It's not only soon, but it is a message to be obeyed.
Revelation 1:3 says:
"Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near."
How can John's generation of Christians obey this book if it is actually all about Christians 2000 years later? Futurists pile up absurdity upon absurdity.
* Futurists almost bring down the curses of Revelation on themselves by effectively removing these verses from the book! (We are not to remove anything from Revelation!) Futurists also ADD to the book by inserting 2000 years into this text when John specifically states that he wanted HIS generation to hear and obey his message as the Roman persecution crashed down on the heads of those early Christians.

* Covenant Amils see Revelation as a book that then also applies to *any* generation of Christians that are suffering the persecution of corrupt governments and the temptation of worldly wealth, worldly philosophies, and worldly security. Revelation is a practical book of comfort to suffering Christians.
* Futurists just patronise today's suffering Christians by insisting that whatever is going on now or has gone on before, it is NOTHING compared to the 'tribulation' that is coming. (Again, this makes the book entirely irrelevant to John's generation and just does not square with an honest reading of John's stated intentions in Chapter 1!)

* Covenant Amils see it as an incredibly PRACTICAL book for all Christians in all ages. It encourages them to not give into suffering and refuse to follow the worldly short-term gains of materialism and worldly power and success and sensuality.
* Futurists make it irrelevant to all but the last generation.

* Covenant Amils see Revelation as clear symbolic sermons that interpret themselves according to other symbols in the bible, and are applicable to all Christians in all situations.
* Futurists see it as utterly dependent on today's headlines, and therefore inaccessible to everyone before this generation.

* Covenant Amils use a consistent symbolic hermeneutic.
* Futurists use an inconsistent 'literal' hermeneutic which contradicts itself so frequently the system implodes. Does Jesus have 7 horns and 7 eyes or not? Is the book literal or not? Nothing futurists have said addresses the fundamental point that their literal hermeneutic is inconsistently applied.

* Covenant Amils are more likely to witness to the saving power of Jesus Christ
* Futurists are often more keen to 'witness' to the lunacy of their end-times schemes and try to win the unconverted not just to Jesus, but to their particular end-times-tables before the person is even saved! As this guy even proudly admitted! How ironic and sad that this Christian talked more about the AntiChrist than his Lord and Saviour, the true Christ!
http://www.christianforums.com/t7638964-7/#post60524172
 
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I thought it was the antichrist, but I read the visions of the children of Adullam from H.A. Baker and they saw angels following the rider on the white horse and demons following the antichrist and the rider on the red horse. Visions Beyond The Veil by H. A. Baker

I would be careful about using things outside of Scripture to interpret Scripture. I think the rider on the white horse is in fact the Antichrist. Notice he wears "a crown" while Christ wears "many crowns."

I think that white here is an obvious impersonation of Christ, as "anti" can mean both against and instead of. In addition, the color white is also associated with Satan several times: In 2 Cor. 11 Paul says Satan comes as an angel of light - and in Rev. 13 the false prophet looks like a lamb (which would be white or black I guess depending).
 
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Futurists are often more keen to 'witness' to the lunacy of their end-times schemes and try to win the unconverted not just to Jesus, but to their particular end-times-tables before the person is even saved! As this guy even proudly admitted! How ironic and sad that this Christian talked more about the AntiChrist than his Lord and Saviour, the true Christ!
http://www.christianforums.com/t7638964-7/#post60524172
God can use anyone and anything, he even used the idolatrers on the boat of Noah to let him pray. I was living in sin and backslidden, when I saw a time table on youtube that Jesus was coming back and he could exactly tell the date from Daniel, but it was either that day or a day later, because we only don't know the day or hour. I don't believe it was very kosher now. I agree it's a trap to be more busy with schemes and antichrist than with the Lord and doing His will, but in this case I was very scared to miss the rapture and very rapidly rededicated my life and stopped living in sin.
 
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If I may ask a few questions regarding whether or not there is such thing as pre-trib..

In regards to Revelation 4:1 -



After this verse, there is no mention of the church being still on earth (I could be wrong, I'm still trying to learn the different opinions and whatnot). This being the reason why I think there is a pre-trib rapture.

ok.....here we go.....

hi...:wave:

I used to be a pre tribber....not anymore...:confused:

there's a few ways for us to know for sure that the church is still here in the tribulation, seen in Revelation

Rev12:17 says that Satan goes after the woman's remnant, who keep the commandments and have the testimony of JESUS CHRIST

That means they are Christians, being wathed on by Satan, and that is well after chapter 4

From the little research I've done, the word rapture is in the bible, but in a different translation from an older language text. I don't have it off-hand (currently at work), but if needed I'd have to find the podcast of where I heard it from. It was a podcast from Jack Van Impe, i don't know what your opinion of him is, but I've been listening for a few years now.
I listened to Impe for a few years too, but although I don't doubt his passion,
now I find that I disagree with just about everything he says
with regards to the rapture and end time events

but once in a while, I tune into his show an see what propaganda him and rexella are spreading.....

as for the word, ya a version of it is used in the Latin vulgate,
but the Greek word is actually harpazo, and it means "seized" in English

it is translated as caught up in the KJV, but caught and up are not in the Greek manuscripts (original)

just "seized"..

and no matter when the rapture is, the result is a gathering to Christ...
we who are deemed worthy at His Coming, are all seized together, to Him and the returning dead in Christ

now, folks around here argue all the time on what happens at the rapture...
and they argue when too....

but as for when the rapture takes place,
there are a few things that must happen first, even from 1Thes4.

before the gathering to Christ, called the rapture;

-Christ must leave heaven, at an event that Paul (the writer of 1Thes4) calls His Coming
-He must bring the dead in Christ with Him from heaven.
-He must raise the dead in Christ here,
the event referred to as the Resurrection of the dead in all of scripture

from John 6 and John 11, we know that the dead are going to be raised on the last day

Daniel 12 says much the same

Back to what I was talking about though, I don't understand that if there is no such thing as a pre-trib rapture of our good Lord taking up the true Christians who have a personal relationship with him, why he would let us (the living) go through the 7 years of hell, since we were the ones that chose him versus the rest of the earth.
because Christians have always had trouble....
and even sometime they have to die for their beliefs...
and when push comes to shove, some did get martyred, while others bowed to the pressure of the day.

the trib, whether it is 7 years or not, is not the wrath of God...
it's Satan's wrath that God allows....
and Christians have a job to do during it...

they have to witness against the false Christ that is coming to conquer the world...

scripture teaches about a great apostasy coming....
when most of us will worship something/someone else

this false Christ will be testing us...
because many of us may have lip service to the Lord, but many of us are really hypocrites at heart

some don't even know it


I've also always thought that we wouldn't be here to see the Anti-Christ arise due to the rapture.
Bro, many here agree with you, however i completely disagree.
Jesus warned us of false Christ(s) and most of us believe the bible depicts a specific one at the end
the bible is full of the signs that herald that time...
we as Christians that study the bible, should be able to see those signs.

why would God bother telling us of the trib, at all,
if we were not going to be here to experience it?

na, the bible says that the resurrection of the dead in Christ, is on the last day
and the bible says that the gathering to Christ (rapture) is after the resurrection of the dead in Christ

so pre trib must be wrong, for many reasons

Also when it comes to the rapture, all the things that occur cannot happen with the Holy Spirit on the earth, thus with us getting caught up in the clouds with Christ, the Holy Spirit would go up with us.

the restrainer of Satan in 2Thes2 seems to be Michael the arc angel (Dan12/Rev12)
plus, for there to be even one believer on earth, the Holy Spirit would have to be here

the two witnesses (Rev11) and the ones that have the testimony of Jesus Christ (Rev12)are still around during the trib in Rev.

One last question, when it comes to the rising of the dead before the 7 years, does it mention how long this takes place before the 7 years begins. (I'm basing this on yall's belief that there is no such thing as a rapture).
huh? the resurrection occurs on the last day
after that, the rapture happens.
but you prob. misunderstand what happens at the rapture.
you prob think the rapture means going up to heaven.

-no one goes up at the rapture.

-the dead in Christ come down FROM heaven with Christ,
on the last day (clouds of heaven/He cometh with clouds)

-we who remain alive at that time, are changed to be like the returned dead...
incorruptible...a spiritual type body...the breath of life body that never dies...

-we are all then seized or gathered together into a great cloud(s) of witnesses
Paul describes this also in Heb11-12, specifically 12:1

Thanks for answering my questions, looking forward to reading yall's responses.
I hope I didn't offend you, but I was a pre trbber
and my early teachers in eschatology also learned from Impe and his like.

but now, I am confident that pre trib is a lie,
a device meant to be used in eventually seducing many of the potential bride of Christ

I guess that's why I am so opposed to pre trib


 
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