When was the Flood of Noah?

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 18, 2015

Ben West said:
Jesus said that He was going to prepare a place for us and Paul was taken up to the THIRD Heaven and so was John the Revelator, who described it. Do you really think that God is going to burn our Earth and then rebuild it? Have you read ll Peter 3:3-7? Amen?

I also have a thread on that:

Btw, have you ever checked out ISA's "scripture4all" greek/hebrew interlinear? I have used it for several yrs for help in translating Bible verses. It is free.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7273107
Paul and the 3rd heaven and paradise question

http://www.scripture4all.org/

2 Corinthians 12:
1 To be boasting is binding not, being expedient indeed I shall be coming yet into visions and revealings of Lord
2 I have known a man in Christ before fourteen years, whether in body, not I have known, whether out-side of the body not I have known, the God has known,
being caught-away the such one to third heaven.
3 And I have known such a man, whether in body, whether apart/out-of from the body not I know, the God has known.
4 That he was caught-away into the Paradise and hears un-declarable declarations which not permitting a man to speak.
5 Over such one will I shall be boasting over, yet myself not I shall not be boasting except the infirmities/weaknesses.

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AV1611VET · Jul 18, 2015

Ben West said:
Jesus said that He was going to prepare a place for us and Paul was taken up to the THIRD Heaven ...

So?

Ben West said:
... and so was John the Revelator, who described it.

John the what???

The book of Revelation is the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

Cearbhall · Jul 18, 2015

Paul K said:
There were a television show one time on History Channel about that topic, The evidence of flood spanning world wide, shelled fossils high up in the rocky mountians, fossilized clusters of dinosaurs at the same time and same place, fish eating another fish fossilized in the middle of eating, small undulations on the bottom of the sea which is currently in Montana. Also If you check www.answersingenesis.org, they have some interesting articles in it.

The History Channel also has a show called Ancient Aliens. Just for future reference, just because something is cited on cable TV does not mean that it's widely accepted among historians and scientists.

SteveB28 · Jul 18, 2015

Saucy said:
This is why you can't study the naturalistic processes and find evidence of God, creation, or supernatural events. What you look at and assume took a million years of slow, steady work could've been formed in a much shorter amount of time. You look at the Grand Canyon and see millions of years, but it could've been created as a result of the flood. In fact, a lot of creation scientists say the Grand Canyon is great evidence for it.

Please explain what you mean by "supernatural events". And then explain how these things can be studied, if not by naturalistic processes.

Ben West · Jul 18, 2015

LittleLambofJesus said:
I also have a thread on that:

Btw, have you ever checked out ISA's "scripture4all" greek/hebrew interlinear? I have used it for several yrs for help in translating Bible verses. It is free.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7273107
Paul and the 3rd heaven and paradise question

http://www.scripture4all.org/

2 Corinthians 12:
1 To be boasting is binding not, being expedient indeed I shall be coming yet into visions and revealings of Lord
2 I have known a man in Christ before fourteen years, whether in body, not I have known, whether out-side of the body not I have known, the God has known,
being caught-away the such one to third heaven.
3 And I have known such a man, whether in body, whether apart/out-of from the body not I know, the God has known.
4 That he was caught-away into the Paradise and hears un-declarable declarations which not permitting a man to speak.
5 Over such one will I shall be boasting over, yet myself not I shall not be boasting except the infirmities/weaknesses.

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Thanks, I will check it out. God Bless you

yeshuasavedme · Jul 18, 2015

AV1611VET said:
He wasn't meant to have it.

If he was meant to have it, God would have made sure it would have been in the AV1611 Bible.

(And not in the Apocryphal part, either.)

The AV1611 Version corrects not only faulty history, but It corrects sloppy writing from other sources as well.

Septuagint, Vulgate, Dead Sea Scrolls, Masoretic Text, Textus Receptus, Strong's Concordance, books of the Apocrypha -- all can take a hike -- a LONG one.

And stay out.

Too many mistranslations and errors in the KJV to make it the authority on anything about history. The message of the Son of God as our only Salvation is not compromised, but forget making sense of a lot of other things in the history and in the science as God gave it through the men of old.
There are contradictions in the KJV itself....it just "ain't" the Word as God gave it in the Hebrew language, and that comes of the ignorance of the translators in places where contextual comparisons for understanding should have been made, or else by bias of ignorance because of following the man made myths current at the time because of not believing God's word.
Usher did the best he could with the information he had, but the histories were not available to him that have been so opened up in this digital age, when anyone can study vast writings left to us by the Patriarchs, through the copies of copies of copies kept through the ages....and the writings of the ancients prove that Abraham and Noah were contemporaries, with Noah dying when Abraham was 58 years old, and Shem outliving Abraham.

Ben West · Jul 18, 2015

AV1611VET said:
So?John the what???

The book of Revelation is the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

How can Jesus be preparing a place for us IF the place hasn't yet been burned and then rebuilt, as you seem to believe? The Third Heaven was made on the Third Day along with our Heaven or Universe. Gen 2:4

Of course Revelation is the revelation of Jesus Christ, but was told by John the writer of Revelation as shown in Rev 1:1. Some denominations use the phrase John the Revelator to distinguish him from John the Disciple. Amen?

AV1611VET · Jul 18, 2015

Ben West said:
How can Jesus be preparing a place for us IF the place hasn't yet been burned and then rebuilt, as you seem to believe?

Um ... don't you think some things are going to survive the burning?

Like ... maybe ... us?*

Ben West said:
Some denominations use the phrase John the Revelator to distinguish him from John the Disciple. Amen?

Don't you mean John the Baptist?

Or, in your parlance, John the Baptizer?

Or, in my parlance, John the [Fundamental, Independent] Baptist?

* Yes, I know "we" is the correct word to use -- not "us;" but "us" sounds better.

Ben West · Jul 18, 2015

AV1611VET said:
Um ... don't you think some things are going to survive the burning?

Like ... maybe ... us?*Don't you mean John the Baptist?

Or, in your parlance, John the Baptizer?

Or, in my parlance, John the [Fundamental, Independent] Baptist?

* Yes, I know "we" is the correct word to use -- not "us;" but "us" sounds better.

I mean John the Disciple. Here he is:

Mat 4:21 And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and He called them.

Mat 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;

Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

Amen?

AV1611VET · Jul 18, 2015

Ben West said:
I mean John the Disciple. Here he is:

Mat 4:21 And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and He called them.

Mat 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;

Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

Amen?

Ben, didn't you say this?

Some denominations use the phrase John the Revelator to distinguish him from John the Disciple. Amen?

Don't you mean to say:

Some denominations use the phrase John the Revelator to distinguish him from John the Baptizer. Amen?

John the Revelator and John the Disciple and John the Apostle and John the Beloved are all the same person.

John the Baptist is not.

joshua 1 9 · Jul 18, 2015

AV1611VET said:
So?John the what???

The book of Revelation is the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

A revelator is someone that reveals revelation. A revelation is something that has been revealed.

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 18, 2015

yeshuasavedme said:
Too many mistranslations and errors in the KJV to make it the authority on anything about history..

I would say one of the most blantant errors in the KJperV is the use of "world" for the greek word #165 instead of "age":

Matthew 24:3
He is yet sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples toward-came to Him acco0rding to own saying "tell us, when? shall these be and what? the Sign of the Thy ParousiaV, and of the together-finish/sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age/aiwnoV <165>?"

KJV) Mat 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? G165

Matthew 28:20
"Teaching them to be keeping all as much as I direct to ye.
And behold! I with ye am all the days, till the together-finish/sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age/aiwnoV <165>. Amen"

KJV) 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:
and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. G165 Amen.

http://watch.pair.com/TR-kjv-issues.html

the end of the “world” / end of the “age”

“The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.” (Matt. 13:39)

“So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,” (Matt. 13:49)

“And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?” (Matt. 24:3)

“Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Matt. 28:20)

“For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.” (Heb. 9:26)

GREEK TEXTUS RECEPTUS

Matthew 24:3

kaqhmenou <2521> (5740) de <1161> {AND AS WAS SITTING} autou <846> {HE} epi <1909> {UPON} tou <3588> {THE} orouV <3735> twn <3588> {MOUNT} elaiwn <1636> {OF OLIVES} proshlqon <4334> (5656) {CAME TO} autw <846> {HIM} oi <3588> {THE} maqhtai <3101> kat <2596> {DISCIPLES} idian <2398> {APART,} legonteV <3004> (5723) {SAYING,} eipe <2036> (5628) {TELL} hmin <2254> {US,} pote <4219> {WHEN} tauta <5023> {THESE THINGS} estai <2071> (5704) {SHALL BE?} kai <2532> {AND} ti <5101> {WHAT [IS]} to <3588> {THE} shmeion <4592> {SIGN} thV <3588> shV <4674> {OF THY} parousiaV <3952> {COMING} kai <2532> {AND} thV <3588> {OF THE} sunteleiaV <4930> {COMPLETION} tou <3588> {OF THE} aiwnoV <165> {AGE?}

Matthew 28:20

didaskonteV <1321> (5723) {TEACHING} autouV <846> {THEM} threin <5083> (5721) {TO OBSERVE} panta <3956> {ALL THINGS} osa <3745> {WHATSOEVER} eneteilamhn <1781> (5662) {I COMMANDED} umin <5213> {YOU.} kai <2532> {AND} idou <2400> (5628) {LO,} egw <1473> {I} meq <3326> {WITH} umwn <5216> {YOU} eimi <1510> (5748) {AM} pasaV <3956> {ALL} taV <3588> {THE} hmeraV <2250> {DAYS} ewV <2193> {UNTIL} thV <3588> {THE} sunteleiaV <4930> {COMPLETION} tou <3588> {OF THE} aiwnoV <165> {AGE.} amhn <281> {AMEN.}

STRONG’S CONCORDANCE

#165 aion {ahee-ohn'} from the same as 104; TDNT - 1:197,31; n m

AV - ever 71, world 38, never + 3364 + 1519 + 3588 6, evermore 4, age 2, eternal 2, misc 5; 128

1) for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity

2) the worlds, universe

3) period of time, age

#2889 kosmos {kos'-mos} probably from the base of 2865; TDNT - 3:868,459; n m

AV - world 186, adorning 1; 187

1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government

2) ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, ‘the heavenly hosts’, as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3

3) the world, the universe

4) the circle of the earth, the earth

5) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race…

PERSCHBACHER’S NEW ANALYTICAL GREEK LEXICON

#165 αίών, ωνος, ό [§4.2.E] pr. a period of time of significant character; life; an era; an age;

hence, a state of things marking an age or era; the present order of nature;…”

TRANSLATION ERROR

The Greek word “aeon” means “age.” If God meant to say “end of the world” He would have used the Greek word “kosmos.” The KJV’s mistranslation of these verses can be traced to the Bishops’ Bible and all previous English Bibles, including Wycliffe which, however, did not follow the Latin Vulgate in these verses (which translated the verse correctly) but the Syriac Peshitta.

FALSE GOSPEL OF THE ANTICHRIST

The KJV mistranslation of the Greek word “aeon” has given occasion for those who promote Astrotheology to misrepresent Christians as believing that the world will end soon. The following excerpt from the “Zeitgeist” movie is an example of the misrepresentation of Christian doctrine:

“ZEITGEIST” Movie, Transcript:

“Now, we have all heard about the end times and the end of the world. Apart from the cartoonish depictions in the Book of Revelation, the main source of this idea comes from Matthew 28:20, where Jesus says ‘I will be with you even to the end of the world.’ [S121] However, in King James Version, ‘world’ is a mistranslation, among many mistranslations. The actual word being used is ‘aeon’, which means ‘age.’ ‘I will be with you even to the end of the age.’ Which is true, as Jesus’ Solar Piscean personification will end when the Sun enters the Age of Aquarius. [S122] The entire concept of end times and the end of the world is a misinterpreted astrological allegory. [S123] [S124] [S125] [S126] [S127] [M] Let’s tell that to the approximately 100 million people in America who believe the end of the world is coming.”

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