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And likewise hell also has some bearing on the wrath of God. If hell were such that people in it would just slowly burn up over time then there would probably less reason for it to exist outside of our known universe and people could perhaps one day fly a spaceship there and think they could rescue folks from it and thwart God in his efforts.Of course they diminish the cross. The cross dealt with the wrath of God and if one does not really believe the wrath of God is real and that they deserve it; the cross is meaningless!
1st, i was just echoing the sentiment of one saying others were diminishing the cross.. I do not believe that power can be given to or taken away from it.We don't give the cross any power, the power is there regardless. It is the power of God unto salvation. Just because a few believe or a few does not believe does not mean that the cross losses its power. Just as if the Word of God does not lose its power if many or few believed it. Jesus Christ, not me, nor you nor anyone else, paid the price for us that we may live. And the Scriptures said, "For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ." So "therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life."
Let all the glory be unto Christ, and indeed it is.
L Bravehart
What is in sheol? And where do you think they will be in the future?
Yet without the truth, how can one determine the false? It is we who starts randomly dismissing things that sound strange, who are in danger of being like the Pharisee.......Blind and deceived.Ditto previous post - what we do does not change the crucifixion.
Likewise, also, why would anyone dare think that believing a false teaching would somehow "have a better chance of giving the Cross" anything at all, especially any "power" ? The false teachings lead to the wide road to destruction, not to eternal life.
I expect your group of "we" has trouble daily. Without the truth, don't expect to find the truth, unless >>Yet without the truth, how can one determine the false? It is we who starts randomly dismissing things that sound strange, who are in danger of being like the Pharisee.......Blind and deceived.
Does anyone know when hell was created? Bible reference would be fantastic if you don't mindTyvm!
Interesting notion......One must have the truth before finding the truth.........I expect your group of "we" has trouble daily. Without the truth, don't expect to find the truth, unless >>
As for who can know the truth?
Jesus says clearly, the Father in Heaven Reveals it to those in His Good Pleasure He Chooses to Reveal the Truth (Salvation) to.
My answer is the same as John Calvin, the Reformer, go as far as the Bible goes and then stop. It's a waste of time speculating about the unknown.Does anyone know when hell was created? Bible reference would be fantastic if you don't mindTyvm!
oops, no. Not "one must have the truth before finding the truth"One much have the truth before finding the truth.........
The Pharisee had the truth.....Therefore, when the Truth stood before them, the Truth was dismissed as false, heresy and blasphemy.
Again oops?, no.I believe instead, one must come before the Lord with no prior beliefs concerning what the truth is or what it should sound like...and say..."Speak Lord, they servant Hearest" Like as a child would.....not waiting to jump on words heard that sounds different....knowing that all truth will be revealed by the one who is Truth....and HE is not angered by the honest search for life even if it may go down a wrong path temporarily......For one cannot succeed while the fear of failure abides..
Non sequitur. (doesn't follow from topic nor from Scripture as stated here)And one who has found life through their own personal journey does not hinder others from starting their journey proposing, instead, that they "just believe in my journey" instead. For this is a row too narrow to walk side by side with anyone......one must go alone.....in the end, realizing that they were never truly alone......
Sorry @Kaon, but that is far-fetched ideas. No where in God's Plan, His Word, His Purpose, or anything that is of Him and from Him, did God ever say angels could take women as wives. Rather, it is against what is written that "everything reproduces after its own kind"..... The idea of angels taking women as wives goes against all God's Word, and is the product, or by-product, of imaginative men or demons without Scriptural support.
What about all the other religion in the world that believed in and taught about 'hell' (not Scripturally) ? , long before the 'church' adopted those unscriptural beliefs ?Hell was created sometime around the 1st century AD, by the Church.
re post 73:
Too much error to even try to correct it in this thread, and apparently not the willingness needed first either.
Suffice it to realize angels never took human women as their wives.
Start thus with a truth, instead of a false premise, and keep seeking the truth, to find it.
What about all the other religion in the world that believed in and taught about 'hell' (not Scripturally) ? , long before the 'church' adopted those unscriptural beliefs ?
Does anyone know when hell was created? Bible reference would be fantastic if you don't mindTyvm!
1st, i was just echoing the sentiment of one saying others were diminishing the cross.. I do not believe that power can be given to or taken away from it.
2nd, you mentioned a verse that linked the actions of Adam to the Action of Jesus......Yet you seem to assume that Adam's actions doomed everyone to this hell without any belief or actions on their individual parts......Yet you seem to say that we have to do something before the Actions of the cross will benefit us. How do you make this assumption from the verse you mentioned? And would this not make one, who felt the cross had all power, rethink this notion, since it would have no effect without human intervention.....unlike the Action of Adam...
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