I'm not sure whether what this tells us about God is necessarily more positive in the paraphrase.
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A MUCH better paraphrase than what I see so often, that God made a bet with satan. Which He did NOT. (Your word "bet" should be replaced with something that fits better)
A MUCH better paraphrase than what I see so often, that God made a bet with satan. Which He did NOT. (Your word "bet" should be replaced with something that fits better)
Are you condemning God? Surely you can place at least a few relevant quotes about this, from Job?
Was your point that you don't believe the Bible, or something else?
What is spirit, if not energy?
I'm not sure whether what this tells us about God is necessarily more positive in the paraphrase.
I did not use the word bet at all.
Satan said to God:
"Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face."
"The LORD said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger." Then Satan went out from the presence of the LORD."
This is not a bet at all, it is an agreement that Satan is to do what he wishes within paramaters set by God.
Her PERMITTED Satan to do the things he did, and is therefore equally responsible.
Not a problem
Job 1:8
Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil."
Job 1:22: In all this, Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing.
And again in 2:3 "Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil. And he still maintains his integrity, though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason."
Still says he is blameless, and God even ADMITS that he is responsible.
A good paraphrase wouldn't change the essence, at all. What are you getting out of it that is in anyway negative? Do you hate every teacher that ever gave you a test? I tend to test rather well, so I always enjoyed tests.
Energy can be measured, stored, released - can be used to power our cities, motor vehicles or destroy.
I've never observed "spirit" so I don't really know what it is. It is certainly not energy as we know it though.
Correct, which is why I never implied you did. (Who was I responding to there?)
Correct! So simple most never accept even that much.
And what was Job's conclusion to all this? And how does it contrast to his wife's suggestion, of cursing God before he gave up and died?
Fair enough. When you get an idea in your head, doesn't it energize you to go do something? Can you power a city with that energy?
I'm suggesting that "spirit" is a form of energy, not so very foreign to you. You got an idea this morning in the shower, and you created this thread. Within this thread, you display a spirit. It seems we even have some power over this spirit, to shape it as we wish? Within certain limitations, of course
You got re-directed somehow. I told you you were condemning God, and could find a quote in Job telling you that's not a very good idea.
And yet here you are, charging God with wrongdoing. Why isn't that sin?
Don't be distracted from the above point, which is far weightier than this argument.
I woudl be inclinded to side with his wife, at least she had some sense to recognise that what was happening was unjust.
The idea came from electrical signals in my brain, which can be measured. You can identify which part of your brain activates when you do different activities. It is not spirit, it's biology.
This is not any dichotomy within the story. Job also knew he was being punished unjustly, and mistakenly thought it was God's doing, since he wasn;t privy to chapter 1 like we are. The difference between Job (who got "saved") and his wife (who didn't get saved) is that Job knew his redeemer lived, and even though God gives and takes away, he declared "Blessed be the Name of the Lord." While Job's wife simply told Job to curse God and die.
This contrast is a MAJOR point within the story! That we should disassociate ourselves from Job's wife which is a good depiction of human nature, and "program our spirits" (for lack of a better term) to relate to Job's approach, as stated here.
I am happy to lay blame at the feet of God, that way he's not going to kill my family, pets and anything else I hold dear. I don't believe in an afterlife, soul or anything else, so I am not worried about what happens after I die. I'll be decomposed like the rest of the dead things.
Great. Now get a bunch of random chemicals and combine them so you come up with sentient life. After you do that, I'll believe your conclusion.My point being that we are more than the chemicals you assign to being your god, who is no god, and cannot save. They are just lifeless chemicals, "dust of the earth." I am more than that, and so are you.
Laying blame at the feet of God is now your protective amulet? That's a new spin on the book of Job I haven't heard before!
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