When teenager apparal approaches pornographic

[Quijote]

3. I have traveled to Europe as a teenager and teenage nudity wasn't a problem. I however didn't see any children running around nude. I am sure it varies from place to place.

lol....then you must come around here during "diaper detail": once the 2 y/o's bottom is clean he makes a run for it....think of a Benny Hill finale w/a 2 y/o being chased by his adult parents while a 6 y/o and a 4 y/o cheer him on!!!

 

[Viola_Strange]

I just got back from a week at Walt Disney World in Florida. It was a lot of fun and I had a real good time. But the first day there I was pretty appalled by something I saw.

Now here in the States, or rather my knowledge is mostly limited to Texas, I know it's illegal to have any sort of child pornography. A relative of mine had a friend who was convicted of looking at child porn. He wasn't selling it, buying it, he was convicted for looking at pictures on his computer. I don't know a great deal about his story, but I do know he was in a jail for quite a number of years, when he eventually got out he wasn't allowed to see his kids unless under supervision by the state, and just a lot of other host of restrictions on his life such as not being able to work around children, not allowed on the internet, and so forth. Now the only reason I mention this guy and his story is simply to point out the fact that in Texas (and I presume in the rest of the USA), it's illegal to look at partially naked kids. I think selling drugs gets a lighter sentence.

So... on my first day at Walt Disney World as I'm walking around, I passed a girl that certainly looked no older than 13 or 14, wearing a very see-thru white top without a bra. Now a few questions popped into my mind:

1. If it's illegal for someone to have pictures of that sort of thing, why is it legal for girls to walk around like that in public?
2. Why do parents let their kids do that?
3. On a similar note, I should find the thread again and reread it. But I know public nudity is much more accepted in some countries, but is public nudity in children (10-17) equally as accepted as it is in adults?

1. If it's illegal for someone to have pictures of that sort of thing, why is it legal for girls to walk around like that in public?
Well, you can't exactly arrest someone for not dressing appropriately. That's like fascism, or something. We don't have fashion police. but man, the fashion industry could so use some right now. Dude. that would be so cool. Fascist, but so cool. I'm gonna go write fantasy novel now.

2. Why do parents let their kids do that?
Some don't know, some don't care. Some parents don't realize that it's such a terrible thing to let their daughter dress like Paris Hilton. Man, that episode of South Park was dead on. Anyway, when it comes to minors, it's all on the parents. No matter what the kids do.

3. On a similar note, I should find the thread again and reread it. But I know public nudity is much more accepted in some countries, but is public nudity in children (10-17) equally as accepted as it is in adults?
Well, I think childhood ends at about age 13, but that's just me and my own beliefs based on my own experience. Girls that start fluanting their sexuality by that age though are hardly much different than adult women that do the same. And I don't think it's really acceptible in either case. I mean, women of open sexuality can get a guy for a one night stand, but she can't earn his respect necessary for a lasting relationship. But, I don't know, maybe I give kids too much credit. I'd like to think so.

I had a similar reaction when I saw Hilary Duff at 16 posing on the cover of Maxim. in black leather. I mean, that's just like asking grown men to **** them (I once heard a non-pedeophile male say). I don't like the whole media-sploitation of young children.

 

[Diagoras]

You might be interested to know that in the Province of Ontario it is perfectly legal for a female to go topless in public. That means in a park, on a public beach, on the sidewalk, in your car. And yet in the over 10 years since this old 'decency' law was thrown out I have not seen one topless female in public. Not one. Not on the street, not in the park and not at the beach. Some people think that if government doesn't enforce 'decency' and 'morals' we will all end up going to hell in a handcard.

Well, so much for that theory.

 

[SallyNow]

That's too bad. It doesnt take a genius to figure out that seeing naked people inspires lust. I'm very disappointed in how the situation is playing itself out in some parts of the world. I think it's a shame.


God bless ya!

You're right, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that seeing nudity inspires lust. The reason is that it is not always true. Many cultures see nudity as nothing interesting at all-it's the behaviour that counts.

If breasts are seen as sexual in a culture, they will create lust if that is what the person wants to think about. If ankles are seen as sexual in a culture, they will create lust if that is what the person wants to think about.

That is not to say that there are not involuntary lustful reactions. Of course there are. But often the society one has grown up in has a hand in dictating to what those reactions are to, as does personal taste.

 

[tgg]

Diagoras,

Have a look at this site: tera.ca Some Canadian women are still campaigning for the cause.


tgg

 

[The Seeker]

I don't have a problem with seeing women breast-feeding. I do have a problem with provocative clothing and would like to see people dressed modestly. What I said was specifically in light of the situation in some cities in france where people walk around naked in public. I think that's a serious problem because it will inspire lust in a lot of people whereas if the person dressed modestly that could be avoided.

Nudity only inspires lust if people aren't used to seeing naked people in a non-sexual context. I've been on the continent a few times and nobody thinks anything of topless bathing there, as far as I can tell, its just a normal thing.

 

[John812]

You're right, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that seeing nudity inspires lust. The reason is that it is not always true. Many cultures see nudity as nothing interesting at all-it's the behaviour that counts.

I tend to think that seeing a naked person can certainly inspire lust, no matter what the culture. There are cultures in the world where everyone is almost naked or totally naked, and I think that lust in such cultures is more prevalent than in a society that dresses modestly.

If breasts are seen as sexual in a culture, they will create lust if that is what the person wants to think about. If ankles are seen as sexual in a culture, they will create lust if that is what the person wants to think about.

I don't know of any culture where ankles are a big deal , but who knows. I think the parts below the belt are more powerful in inspiring lust than breasts. Some people may not be affected by seeing a naked person, but on average I bet the amount of lust in a society goes up as people start to wear less clothing/no clothing and more provocative clothing.


God bless ya!

 

[John812]

Nudity only inspires lust if people aren't used to seeing naked people in a non-sexual context.

I would think that a person who isn't used to seeing naked people is very susceptible to lust. That is probabaly quite often the case when foreigners or people from more modest cities go to those cities in France and see naked people walking around the city. I think even people that live there and see it often are still at higher risk for lust as opposed to people who don't get exposed to it.


God bless ya!

 

[The Seeker]

I would think that a person who isn't used to seeing naked people is very susceptible to lust. That is probabaly quite often the case when foreigners or people from more modest cities go to those cities in France and see naked people walking around the city. I think even people that live there and see it often are still at higher risk for lust as opposed to people who don't get exposed to it.

Telepathy lessons working out well are they?

 

[John812]

Telepathy lessons working out well are they?

Not too bad actually - and yours? Beyond me and you having an opinion, I don't think either of us has any evidence to support our positions - but perhaps you do, I dunno. I would be skeptical about any evidence though on this matter - because I think that unless your a telepath it would be almost impossible to produce accurate results on something like lust.


God bless ya!

 

[The Seeker]

Not too bad actually - and yours? Beyond me and you having an opinion, I don't think either of us has any evidence to support our positions - but perhaps you do, I dunno. I would be skeptical about any evidence though on this matter - because I think that unless your a telepath it would be almost impossible to produce accurate results on something like lust.

Well sexually attractive (and thus "provocative of lust", if you insist on framing it in those sort of terms) does appear to be largely a cultural construct:

Source
For many in the 1990s, supermodel Cindy Crawford was the perfect American dream girl: slim, tanned and natural-looking, with long, shiny hair. People have described her as 'The Face of the Decade'.

But people have not always had the same ideas about beauty. Until the 1920s, suntans were for poor people, 'ladies' stayed out of the sun to keep their faces as pale as possible. In the times of Queen Elizabeth I of England, fashionable ladies even painted their faces with lead to make them whiter - a very dangerous habit, since lead is poisonous!

And people in the eighteenth century would not have thought much of Cindy Crawford's hair! Ladies in those days never went out without their wigs, which were so enormous (and dirty) that it was quite common to find mice living in them., As for the 'perfect beauties' painted by Rubens in the seventeenth century, if they wanted to be supermodels today, they would need to spend months on a diet!

Ideas of beauty can be very different according to where you live in the world, too. For the Paduang tribe in South East Asia, traditionally, the most important sign of female beauty was a long neck. So at the age of five or six, girls received their first neck ring, and each year they added new rings. By the time they were old enough to marry, their necks were about twenty-five centimetres long!

So I don't see any reason why nudity would automatically trigger insatiable lust in a culture where naked people walking the streets is the norm.

 

[Eudaimonist]

You might be interested to know that in the Province of Ontario it is perfectly legal for a female to go topless in public. That means in a park, on a public beach, on the sidewalk, in your car. And yet in the over 10 years since this old 'decency' law was thrown out I have not seen one topless female in public. Not one. Not on the street, not in the park and not at the beach. Some people think that if government doesn't enforce 'decency' and 'morals' we will all end up going to hell in a handcard.

Same thing is true for New York State, and like you I never saw one woman exercise that right.

 

[LittleNipper]

I'll tell you what. If we all start walking around naked, I'll be sure to bump into people more often. What's alittle nudge among total strangers----you get my point? P.S. I'll try not to drool......................

 

[John812]

The source you noted didn't have anything on how people viewed naked people. I am aware of that society where woman that have long necks are more attractive, and as unusual as that seems to me I can accept it (as long as there would be no health complications due to the really long necks, but I dunno anything on that). If one of those men from that society saw two women both with long necks standing side by side, but one of them had no clothes on and the other was dressed as usual, I think the one with no clothes would inspire more lust than the other. Now, I acknowledge the fact that people are different and some people wouldn't be affected at all by seing a naked woman, but on the average I think naked people inspire more lust than those that are clothed modestly.


God bless ya!

 

[The Seeker]

The source you noted didn't have anything on how people viewed naked people. I am aware of that society where woman that have long necks are more attractive, and as unusual as that seems to me I can accept it (as long as there would be no health complications due to the really long necks, but I dunno anything on that). If one of those men from that society saw two women both with long necks standing side by side, but one of them had no clothes on and the other was dressed as usual, I think the one with no clothes would inspire more lust than the other. Now, I acknowledge the fact that people are different and some people wouldn't be affected at all by seing a naked woman, but on the average I think naked people inspire more lust than those that are clothed modestly.

What do you base that on? You assume that because you are culturally conditioned to regard nudity as sexual by default, its the same the world over, not so, as evidenced by the abundance of topless beaches on the continent that are no more "lustful" than any other beach.

 

[Chosen One]

This women was at gay friendly Disney World and was appalled by something like this?

That place is practically Sodom- I am suprised anyone would notice something like that there.

 

[John812]

What do you base that on?

I base that on my life experience. Ive mentioned the reasons for my position. I don't have any sources on it, and I would be highly skeptical of sources relating to this issue. Take my view on it as simply an opinion. I think that is the best any of us can do on the matter.

You assume that because you are culturally conditioned to regard nudity as sexual by default, its the same the world over, not so, as evidenced by the abundance of topless beaches on the continent that are no more "lustful" than any other beach.

To me that is just your personal opinion. Where is your evidence that these beaches are no more lustful than any other beach?


God bless ya!