When Is One's Name Written In The Book Of Life?

[justlookinla]

One has to reason then, if a name that was written before all things were can be blotted out, then a name that God did not write from the foundation of the world can be added to it.

Scripture doesn't indicate this. It only indicates, depending on the translation, that one's name is written long before they're born and that one's name can be blotted out.

If God remains the same and does not change, then we remain the same in the mind of God, and do not change, which is the mind of Christ, which is the present form the kingdom has been given to us in.

How is this related to one's name being written with the option of it being blotted out?

To see what is the end of the matter has to be done in the light of not only the whole of scripture, but what these words mean to the one who spoke them, and how they relate to the purpose God purposed in himself as something relative to us.

I agree.

 

[DoubleZero]

Matt_25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

I would say, the important thing is "work out your salvation with trembling and fear" so your name is not blotted out.

Rev_3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

 

[Job8]

Every human being's name is written in the book of life "from the foundation of the world", and remains there until he or she rejects Christ and the Gospel, or goes after another Jesus and another Gospel, or continues in their sins and idolatries even after hearing of Christ. When a person fails to repent after many opportunities to do so, that person's name is REMOVED or "blotted out" from the Lamb's Book of Life.

 

[DoubleZero]

Every human being's name is written in the book of life "from the foundation of the world", and remains there until he or she rejects Christ and the Gospel, or goes after another Jesus and another Gospel, or continues in their sins and idolatries even after hearing of Christ. When a person fails to repent after many opportunities to do so, that person's name is REMOVED or "blotted out" from the Lamb's Book of Life.

What happens to their name if they fail to overcome and reject Christ after walking with Him?

 

[Jeffrey William Cameron]

"And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are THEREFORE not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

Only the names of those who accept Jesus as Savior / Messiah will appear in the Book of Life when it is opened. We are not fore-ordained to be saved. Salvation is by Grace through Faith. Once we have confessed Romans 10:8-13, for example, our names are recorded.

I believe our names are written before the foundation of the world. Since God is outside our time domain and can see the end from the beginning, wouldn't He already know who accepts Christ and who does not.

I would think so, since it is obvious that God is not constrained to what we think of as time.

 

[x141]

Scripture doesn't indicate this. It only indicates, depending on the translation, that one's name is written long before they're born and that one's name can be blotted out.

How is this related to one's name being written with the option of it being blotted out?

... ones not written cannot be written, even though they were only not written from the foundation, whereas the others that were written from before the foundation can be removed, making salvation the only unstable truth.

 

[justlookinla]

Every human being's name is written in the book of life "from the foundation of the world", and remains there until he or she rejects Christ and the Gospel, or goes after another Jesus and another Gospel, or continues in their sins and idolatries even after hearing of Christ. When a person fails to repent after many opportunities to do so, that person's name is REMOVED or "blotted out" from the Lamb's Book of Life.

While that may be true, it may not be true either. If every human being's name is written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, and if the method whereby their name is blotted out is by their rejection of the gospel, that means that untold billions will be saved not by the gospel, but simply because their name was written in the Book of Life. The vast majority of humanity has never heard of Christ and if they have, they've probably only heard one of the many Christian sect's take on the gospel.

Scripture indicates in only one place, as far as I'm aware, of how one has their name blotted out of the Book of Life...

Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
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If one doesn't 'overcome', their name will be blotted out, per scripture.

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[justlookinla]

... ones not written cannot be written, even though they were only not written from the foundation, whereas the others that were written from before the foundation can be removed, making salvation the only unstable truth.

Sure sounds like it.

 

[ob77]

Who's right?


Rev 13:8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. (ESV)

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (KJV)

Rev 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain. (NASB)

Rev 13:8 And bow before it shall all who are dwelling upon the land, whose names have not been written in the scroll of the life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world; (YLT)

The foundation is the great "Kebow" the rebellion of Satan. All those written in the book are safe, all those not, are not safe from the liability of death. There were those who were steadfast with the Father and those who were steadfast with Satan. Those who were steadfast with the Father, have their names written in the book of life, those sided with Satan, do not.
If you love Christ and love him as your lord and savior, you have nothing to worry about. Satan swayed a third of the occupants of heaven to his way of thinking. Of those, none have their names written in the book. Again, if you love Jesus the Christ, you have no worries about having your name written in that book. Listen, beloved of God, have no worry about not being included in heaven. Anyone who loves God and Jesus, shall have their names written upon that list.

 

[x141]

Sure sounds like it.

Reason with man and you become unclean, but reason with God ...

What is in a word like God, or I am …

Most people have not even begun to know what is in a word such as name, let alone what it means to have it blotted, or not blotted out. If one has been given the white stone which written therein is this name, one would (begin to) understand the simplicity of this truth only a child can continually enter.

The mind that asks a question such as this is not the mind of Christ, but has more in common with a city whose (and which) name (is not found in the book), is where Christ was crucified, and I don’t mean this as some kind of slanderous accusation, as if one is greater than another seeing that it is God who fills all things with himself (which the same is said of Christ wherein (this mind) there is no darkness or separation) every garden of God has a serpent as sure as every son has a baptism he is baptized with, and a cup that he drinks from.

Most have not begun to see the feasts that are laid out in the form of words strewn throughout the Bible from cover to cover, all of it speaking of the one same self -truth and the process of it; and being what Paul referred to as why he was called from his mother’s womb.

There is only one name in the book, but how many names does it take to describe this one name, the truth is as endless as the names that are written in the white stones, that only a son accepted can give.

A key to the truth of the book (not being the books that are judged out of) would be, tabernacle’s is the feast of one who overcomes, or a name of one that is in the book.

We must understand that the Bible is relative to self and the process of coming to this, even Jesus was given a new name; we are no different, as him, only our Father defines this name, which is the truth of the inheritance of self, and not without the/our soul/city.

Most have not come up out of the wilderness their own soul has become to them ... to the left or right of the cross hangs a thief ...

 

[ebedmelech]

Yet we have the ability to have it blotted out?

Do a search on every use of "the book of life"...see what you determine from that.

Keep in mind Christ said I am the way, the truth, and THE LIFE.

 

[Best friend]

This version reads...

Rev 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain. (NASB)
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To me, that's indicating that one's name is written "from the foundation of the world".

This version is incorrect, the
KJV version is the correct one,
If though faith in Jesus Christ
The name of the believer is
Written in the book of life
Then through the denial of
Faith in Christ, the name
Will be remove from the
Book of life. Or perhaps
Following a herresy do far from
The truth, Jonh said if you
Depart from the truth, that
Jesus came in the flesh, or
That he is not the Son of God
Then your not his, even
Thought you started with the
Truth, but now you departed
Fantamendaly from it.

 

[Xalith]

It's possible for it to be removed...

Rev 3:5 The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels.

That verse does not say it is possible to have it blotted out.

He's just merely giving us re-assurance that He won't ever blot our name out of the book of life.

Whoever is Saved, Jesus will confess their name before the Father, and will never, ever blot their name out from the book of life.

Obviously, God knows who will become Saved, and who will not. He Foreknows Everything. He does not Pre-Destinate, He merely Foreknows, therefore, He places the names of everybody who will be saved in this book, and Christ is promising us that He will never blot the names out of that book.

EDIT: He knew that Adam and Eve would eat the fruit before they ate the fruit, however He did not pre-destinate or otherwise force them to do it. He knew they would, before it even happened. That goes along the same lines. God did not force the Fall, but yet He knew it would happen.

EDIT2: Basically, it boils down to this: If your name is in that book, you are guaranteed to go to Heaven. He will never blot it out. It is in that book, because He knew, before the foundations of the Earth, that you would become saved before your death, therefore He placed your name in that book and nothing will remove it. If someone's name is NOT in that book, then they aren't going to Heaven, because God knows that they will die in their sin. Only God knows the true fate for each soul; He Foreknows but does not Pre-Determine or Pre-Destinate any of this. We all have our free will; He merely knows who will and who won't of their own free will.

 

[DoubleZero]

Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

This is a conditional statement.

 

[Blank Stair]

Sooo...our name is written before the foundation of the world? We're chosen before the foundation?

The other passages (KJV, YLT) don't seem to be indicating that.

Revelation 13:8 is saying the same thing in different textual versions. They all point to those who are not in the Lamb's book will be those who bow to the beast.

 

[justlookinla]

Reason with man and you become unclean, but reason with God ...

What is in a word like God, or I am …

Most people have not even begun to know what is in a word such as name, let alone what it means to have it blotted, or not blotted out. If one has been given the white stone which written therein is this name, one would (begin to) understand the simplicity of this truth only a child can continually enter.

The mind that asks a question such as this is not the mind of Christ, but has more in common with a city whose (and which) name (is not found in the book), is where Christ was crucified, and I don’t mean this as some kind of slanderous accusation, as if one is greater than another seeing that it is God who fills all things with himself (which the same is said of Christ wherein (this mind) there is no darkness or separation) every garden of God has a serpent as sure as every son has a baptism he is baptized with, and a cup that he drinks from.

Most have not begun to see the feasts that are laid out in the form of words strewn throughout the Bible from cover to cover, all of it speaking of the one same self -truth and the process of it; and being what Paul referred to as why he was called from his mother’s womb.

There is only one name in the book, but how many names does it take to describe this one name, the truth is as endless as the names that are written in the white stones, that only a son accepted can give.

A key to the truth of the book (not being the books that are judged out of) would be, tabernacle’s is the feast of one who overcomes, or a name of one that is in the book.

We must understand that the Bible is relative to self and the process of coming to this, even Jesus was given a new name; we are no different, as him, only our Father defines this name, which is the truth of the inheritance of self, and not without the/our soul/city.

Most have not come up out of the wilderness their own soul has become to them ... to the left or right of the cross hangs a thief ...

Quite a wordy view which has no relationship to one's name blotted out of the Book of Life.

 

[justlookinla]

Do a search on every use of "the book of life"...see what you determine from that.

Keep in mind Christ said I am the way, the truth, and THE LIFE.

I determine that one's name can be blotted out from Rev 3:5....

Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

 

[justlookinla]

That verse does not say it is possible to have it blotted out.

He's just merely giving us re-assurance that He won't ever blot our name out of the book of life.

Whoever is Saved, Jesus will confess their name before the Father, and will never, ever blot their name out from the book of life.

Obviously, God knows who will become Saved, and who will not. He Foreknows Everything. He does not Pre-Destinate, He merely Foreknows, therefore, He places the names of everybody who will be saved in this book, and Christ is promising us that He will never blot the names out of that book.

EDIT: He knew that Adam and Eve would eat the fruit before they ate the fruit, however He did not pre-destinate or otherwise force them to do it. He knew they would, before it even happened. That goes along the same lines. God did not force the Fall, but yet He knew it would happen.

EDIT2: Basically, it boils down to this: If your name is in that book, you are guaranteed to go to Heaven. He will never blot it out. It is in that book, because He knew, before the foundations of the Earth, that you would become saved before your death, therefore He placed your name in that book and nothing will remove it. If someone's name is NOT in that book, then they aren't going to Heaven, because God knows that they will die in their sin. Only God knows the true fate for each soul; He Foreknows but does not Pre-Determine or Pre-Destinate any of this. We all have our free will; He merely knows who will and who won't of their own free will.

It's pretty plain that if one does not overcome, one's name will be blotted out of the Book.

Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Secondly, if our name is written before the foundation of the world, this means that for whatever reason, we're chosen apart from our knowledge.

 

[Xalith]

Secondly, if our name is written before the foundation of the world, this means that for whatever reason, we're chosen apart from our knowledge.

Not chosen, but Foreknown.

God knows who will become saved, and who will not, before they even do it. Therefore, He's able to write a book of names because He knows (knew?) before the Earth was even made.

God is Omnipresent. This means He Is, He Always Was, and He Shall Ever Be. God Today is God Yesterday is God Tomorrow. Time means nothing to Him. He knew you before you were born, and He knows if you will be saved before you die.

He, however, did not specifically choose or pre-determine your fate. He gave all of us free will to choose as we please. He merely knows the choices we will make, before we make them.

 

[x141]

Quite a wordy view which has no relationship to one's name blotted out of the Book of Life.

In your mind, but perception is everything ...

It is impossible for those who are not written to overcome, and only to those who overcome does their name remain; in the same manner, a servant does not abide in the house forever, only a son does.

The soul (or mind that is at enmity with God) divides everything, even the inheritance that is God.