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When is divorce necessary?

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Ok, let's say you have a woman nag and criticize her husband all the time, and you have a man who gets aggrivated, and yells. Let's say this kind of thing goes on for years and years. Even with counseling. (I'm just throwing something wild out there). Would you think "Well, marriage takes two people" and leave the marriage after enough "abuse"? Would it be pointless to go through this to later be worked out?

And I just want to ask the question in general.. Is it only if it's a life and death situation?
 

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As far as your thread title, divorce is never really "necessary". People can absolutely stay married and be emotionally apart, dead to each other, and be done trying. Even in cases of extreme physical abuse, being apart is a safety issue but the actual going through with a divorce is not.

The Bible says that divorce is absolutely against God's plan. But it is acceptable in cases of infidelity. If you have ever been married to someone who has cheated on you, you know how different that "dead" feeling is as opposed to the feeling you get when your marriage is stale and you wonder if you are still in love with your spouse.

When my ex told me about his repeated infidelity, all the stuff that I thought were signs that our marriage was doomed grew disturbingly pale. For example, I could have lived with and worked on his treating me as if I am a dunce; I could have worked on and dealt with any marriage bed issues. I could have lived with his spending money foolishly and never being very affectionate. But when the infidelity issue presented itself, I could feel my marriage break as loudly as my heart did.

I would certainly never recommend divorce for couples that argue all the time or just don't get along. To do so is against the commands of God. But I know how hard it can be to stay married to someone who just doesn't act like they love you...or care about you...or even like you a little. Best talk to the Lord about what to do in that situation.
 
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This is such a touchy subject--I was married to someone who was so verbally abusive, manipulative, and I can recall once that we were driving down a 6 lane street in my hometown, a very busy one that if you kept going, it led to the mountains---we were arguing...and he looked at me at one point (he was driving) and told me he'd had enough, that he was going to kill me, and take me up into the mountains to do it...that it would be worth going to prison for, just to be rid of me....and I was so terrified and believed him so completely, that I opened the car door to jump out, at 50 mph. I had one leg out the door when he pulled over. The thing im trying to say here, is that I don't believe that infidelity is the only reason to leave a marriage. Oh in a perfect world, or semi-perfect, maybe so- but there are circumstances where it is so damaging to be in a marriage for all involved, that I don't believe for a minute that God wants us to stay there- and I agonized for quite some time after I actually left him- and believe it or not, I didn't leave til 4 years after this particular incident. I stayed, because of how i'd been raised...married? Stay - if you leave, stay single- or go back. God did a lot of work with me on this, I suffered so much guilt- but sometimes in a marriage when only one person is trying and the other isn't really-well, a house divided against itself cannot stand. And the kids....the kids heard us arguing and fighting on a constant basis, this cannot be good- and it wasn't. It damages everyone. I agree that if you just feel like things have gone 'blah' in your marriage, work on it- don't just bail. But there are times when bailing saves everyone involved. That's what happened in my marriage--
 
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Yitzchak said:
Divorce should be a last resort and not taken lightly. There may be exceptions to the general rules but in general the type of situation you describe should be worked out even though it is difficult.
I agree that divorce should be the last resort.:thumbsup: Other than adultery or physical abuse, divorce should be the last resort. All things can be worked out. Yelling and criticizing are poor communication styles. There is so much helpful information out there (books, seminars, marital counseling, etc.) that deal with communication styles between a man and woman. Usually in a situation like that, it will take time and lots of practice to "unlearn" those negative patterns of communication. When two people get together, they learn very quickly what "buttons" to push that irritate the other person. Sometimes the people don't even know they're even pushing buttons on someone else. So that's why learning about communication styles is important (not only in a marriage) but also in effectively dealing with people in general. Good communication styles are almost a necessity now when it comes to getting along with everyone in the world.
 
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E-beth said:
As far as your thread title, divorce is never really "necessary". People can absolutely stay married and be emotionally apart, dead to each other, and be done trying. Even in cases of extreme physical abuse, being apart is a safety issue but the actual going through with a divorce is not.

The Bible says that divorce is absolutely against God's plan. But it is acceptable in cases of infidelity. If you have ever been married to someone who has cheated on you, you know how different that "dead" feeling is as opposed to the feeling you get when your marriage is stale and you wonder if you are still in love with your spouse.

When my ex told me about his repeated infidelity, all the stuff that I thought were signs that our marriage was doomed grew disturbingly pale. For example, I could have lived with and worked on his treating me as if I am a dunce; I could have worked on and dealt with any marriage bed issues. I could have lived with his spending money foolishly and never being very affectionate. But when the infidelity issue presented itself, I could feel my marriage break as loudly as my heart did.

I would certainly never recommend divorce for couples that argue all the time or just don't get along. To do so is against the commands of God. But I know how hard it can be to stay married to someone who just doesn't act like they love you...or care about you...or even like you a little. Best talk to the Lord about what to do in that situation.

Thank you for your post. It helps me look at some things in my relationship. I sure appreciate what you have said. ~ sweetaroma
 
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mostie said:
This is such a touchy subject--I was married to someone who was so verbally abusive, manipulative, and I can recall once that we were driving down a 6 lane street in my hometown, a very busy one that if you kept going, it led to the mountains---we were arguing...and he looked at me at one point (he was driving) and told me he'd had enough, that he was going to kill me, and take me up into the mountains to do it...that it would be worth going to prison for, just to be rid of me....and I was so terrified and believed him so completely, that I opened the car door to jump out, at 50 mph. I had one leg out the door when he pulled over. The thing im trying to say here, is that I don't believe that infidelity is the only reason to leave a marriage. Oh in a perfect world, or semi-perfect, maybe so- but there are circumstances where it is so damaging to be in a marriage for all involved, that I don't believe for a minute that God wants us to stay there- and I agonized for quite some time after I actually left him- and believe it or not, I didn't leave til 4 years after this particular incident. I stayed, because of how i'd been raised...married? Stay - if you leave, stay single- or go back. God did a lot of work with me on this, I suffered so much guilt- but sometimes in a marriage when only one person is trying and the other isn't really-well, a house divided against itself cannot stand. And the kids....the kids heard us arguing and fighting on a constant basis, this cannot be good- and it wasn't. It damages everyone. I agree that if you just feel like things have gone 'blah' in your marriage, work on it- don't just bail. But there are times when bailing saves everyone involved. That's what happened in my marriage--
I am going through some tough times right now and what you described is very close to the dilemma in my relationship and the questions of my heart. It's good to hear this too. Thank you for sharing this post.~sweetaroma
 
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KGirl said:
Ok, let's say you have a woman nag and criticize her husband all the time, and you have a man who gets aggrivated, and yells. Let's say this kind of thing goes on for years and years. Even with counseling. (I'm just throwing something wild out there). Would you think "Well, marriage takes two people" and leave the marriage after enough "abuse"? Would it be pointless to go through this to later be worked out?

And I just want to ask the question in general.. Is it only if it's a life and death situation?

Divorce is necessary, biblically, when a woman cheats on her husband and he decides to divorce her for it.
 
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KGirl said:
Ok, let's say you have a woman nag and criticize her husband all the time, and you have a man who gets aggrivated, and yells. Let's say this kind of thing goes on for years and years. Even with counseling. (I'm just throwing something wild out there). Would you think "Well, marriage takes two people" and leave the marriage after enough "abuse"? Would it be pointless to go through this to later be worked out?

And I just want to ask the question in general.. Is it only if it's a life and death situation?

In a nutshell Jesus said that a man may only send is wife away for fornication.
A Woman may only remarry if a her husband issues her a bill of divorce or her husband abondons her. ie stops providing her clothing, food and denies her physical affection all 3 are required.

That is why Paul says on one hand that a woman if she seperates must remain as she is or be reconciled but on the other says that she must marry in the Lord where she is abondoned cast off by an unbeleiving husband who does not want to have her with him any longer.

This perspective has both OT and the NT in agreement on the issues of Marriage, Seperation and Divorce rather than in contradiction, God is the same yesterday , Today and Tomorrow.

Unfortunately because of not rightly dividing the scriptures we have those who can remarry no marrying and those who have remarried actually in an adulterous relationship before God because of not understanding the scriptural way that these issues are dealt with.

I have a document online at http://www.covenantkeepers.info/Marriage_Divorce_ReMarriage.pdf

This is after 18 Months of study and prayer.
Regards,
Mikhail
 
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Hey there again friend I read your link... interesting. Same argument I have heard before.. well written though.

Question: Why when you quoted Matthew 19 did you not finish the whole thing? You left out the best part and then pawned off a theological view of what it meant.

Not saying I don't agree there where parts where I fully agreed and parts that I could blow holes in... either way I think we found your pet peeve in the christian "nation".

Verse 10 and 11 complete Christs' (Yeshua) comments. I would love to see how that translates into what you have already. I am particularly intrested in the last line of 11.

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Mikhail, I read your document, and it was really excellent- I do want to say something, however--although after reading this I realized that yes, I do have a valid reason for divorcing my ex (he did at one point most definitely meet all 3 criteria that you mentioned-), the marriage in and of itself had become so abusive, and so terrible- that I was suffering, the kids were suffering, and even he was suffering. I did try one last reconciliation with him some time ago, and I do believe that he wanted to change- and was even trying to change- the problem was, that after 10 years of the sort of abuse I dealt with from him, my own damaged emotional state was so extensive that it just sent me into a depression, not to mention having literal panic attacks whenever he would say or do something that even remotely reminded me of the things he had done in the past. The whole situation made me innefectual as a parent, innefectual at work, and definitely innefectual as a wife--and yet basically you are saying that if those 3 criteria were not met, that we have to stay single if we separate--even though the things i just mentioned that happened in my marriage were an unbelievable nightmare, for a good 9 years- destroying our family, damaging the kids, all of us- and yet if I left that untolerable situation, if those 3 criteria are not met, im to spend the rest of my life alone or go back into the situation with him. My marriage was never about me not trying to work things out with him- I did, for years---by the time he decided to work things out, 10 years had passed, and so much damage had been done that I couldn't hardly deal with him in any way, let alone a constructive one. When I agreed to reconcile with him that last time, I insisted that we go to counseling- he agreed, but then once we reconciled he changed his mind and told me " Well, I don't think counseling is a good idea, because even though YOU know im not really abusive, (oh please...) THEY aren't going to see it that way."--and there never was any counseling.

I'm in another relationship with a good man, now- a good christian guy---I spent years agonizing with guilt over ever leaving my ex, and all of the verses you mentioned were things ive grown up with my whole life. God worked overtime with me on my guilt, my pain- and the strange thing about it, is I didn't ask Him to...He came to me--I was ready to just sit in my guilt and say, 'well hey, I tried- but since things didn't work, this is what I have to do-stay alone, or go back, and if I get into another relationship, im basically doomed here...'

At that point, I was just so down, and God was merciful to me in so many ways- I had several incidents where strangers came up to me on the street and said to me, ' I know you're going to think this is strange, but God wants me to tell you that He loves you...", etc---it all just blew me away---God saw everything that happened in my marriage- He knew that I had given it my all-that I tried to 'fix' things, in any way I knew how- for years. He knew everything that had happened, at every instance, the entire time I was married- and the damage it all had done. And I was finally able to put it behind me, realize that God had forgiven for it-and move on. Without suffering guilt the rest of my life.
 
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mostie said:
Mikhail, I read your document, and it was really excellent- I do want to say something, however--although after reading this I realized that yes, I do have a valid reason for divorcing my ex (he did at one point most definitely meet all 3 criteria that you mentioned-), the marriage in and of itself had become so abusive, and so terrible- that I was suffering, the kids were suffering, and even he was suffering.

Thanks for your response I do not pretend to have a complete picture on every circumstance on the issue of Divorce and the document will be updated as I am seeking further revelation from God and as I study the scriptures.

In the end each one of us will need to give account to God so each has to be obedient to do the Fathers will and scripture is a good point to start in doing that as well as walking by the spirit of holiness.
Shalom,
Mikhail
 
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