When / How do we receive the Holy Spirit?

[Quasar92]

You can't express yourself, you have to use a cut and paste.

You can't express yourself, you have to use a cut and paste.

The purpose for the cut and pastes is to provide my views from other professional sources to provide Scriptural truth. Many of them come from my own website data bank that has been aging over the past 20 years.

And what may I ask do you have to contribute to this thread, other than to attack me?


Quasar92

 

[DamianWarS]

Not one of those verses you stated tells us when we receive the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38 states that we are to Repent and be Baptize then we will receive the Holy Spirit.

Peter only spoke what he understood at the time. It is clear in his encounter with the house of Cornelius Peter himself was surprised that the HS came upon the people; he then explained "Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?" (Acts 10:47)

 

[Wordkeeper]

What is the baptism of the Holy Spirit?

The baptism of the Holy Spirit may be defined as that work whereby the Spirit of God places the believer into union with Christ and into union with other believers in the body of Christ at the moment of salvation. The baptism of the Holy Spirit was predicted by John the Baptist (Mark 1:8) and by Jesus before He ascended to heaven: “For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit” (Acts 1:5). This promise was fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1–4); for the first time, people were permanently indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and the church had begun.

First Corinthians 12:12–13 is the central passage in the Bible regarding the baptism of the Holy Spirit: “For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink” (1 Corinthians 12:13). Notice that we “all” have been baptized by the Spirit—all believers have received the baptism, synonymous with salvation, and it is not a special experience for only a few. While Romans 6:1–4 does not mention specifically the Spirit of God, it does describe the believer’s position before God in language similar to the 1 Corinthians passage: “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.”

The following facts are necessary to help solidify our understanding of Spirit baptism: First, 1 Corinthians 12:13clearly states that all have been baptized, just as all been given the Spirit to drink (the indwelling of the Spirit). Second, nowhere in Scripture are believers told to be baptized with, in or by the Spirit, or in any sense to seek the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This indicates that all believers have had this experience. Third, Ephesians 4:5 seems to refer to Spirit baptism. If this is the case, Spirit baptism is the reality for every believer, just as “one faith” and “one Father” are.

In conclusion, the baptism of the Holy Spirit does two things, 1) it joins us to the body of Christ, and 2) it actualizes our co-crucifixion with Christ. Being in His body means we are risen with Him to newness of life (Romans 6:4). We should then exercise our spiritual gifts to keep that body functioning properly as stated in the context of 1 Corinthians 12:13. Experiencing the one Spirit baptism serves as the basis for keeping the unity of the church, as in the context of Ephesians 4:5. Being associated with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection through Spirit baptism establishes the basis for our separation from the power of indwelling sin and our walk in newness of life (Romans 6:1-10; Colossians 2:12).

Recommended Resource: The Wonderful Spirit-Filled Life by Charles Stanley

Source: gotquestions.org


Quasar92

The baptism of the Holy Spirit is the baptism into the experience of Christ, His daily death and resurrection, to steel you for the experience when you make alife or death choice, to show God you really fear Him. Israel was baptised into Moses through the water and the cloud, experiencing God's deliverance daily in situations requiring loyal reactions even when facing deprivation of food, water and safety from enemy action.

The take away lesson is to be loyal to God, to take up your Cross daily and not be disloyal.

Jesus took up His Cross daily, went into dangerous situations, and God always delivered Him. Finally in the eponymous act, He picked up the real Cross, laid down His life, as the Father commanded, and God again raised him up, confirming His ability and willingness of to restore, save, lead into Eternal Life, Rest.

Working out your salvation is experiencing the resurrection daily, after picking up your cross daily, till when God asks you to make the final step, face Canaan, you are ready. Like Joshua. Like Abraham. At the TODAY, the Day of the Lord.

 

[Quasar92]

The baptism of the Holy Spirit is the baptism into the experience of Christ, His daily death and resurrection, to steel you for the experience when you make alife or death choice, to show God you really fear Him. Israel was baptised into Moses through the water and the cloud, experiencing God's deliverance daily in situations requiring loyal reactions even when facing deprivation of food, water and safety from enemy action.

The take away lesson is to be loyal to God, to take up your Cross daily and not be disloyal.

Jesus took up His Cross daily, went into dangerous situations, and God always delivered Him. Finally in the eponymous act, He picked up the real Cross, laid down His life, as the Father commanded, and God again raised him up, confirming His ability and willingness of to restore, save, lead into Eternal Life, Rest.

Working out your salvation is experiencing the resurrection daily, after picking up your cross daily, till when God asks you to make the final step, face Canaan, you are ready. Like Joshua. Like Abraham. At the TODAY, the Day of the Lord.

Baptism of the Holy Spirit by Jesus, as recorded in Mt.3:44, has nothing at all to do with water baptism. Review post #3.


Quasar92

 

[Quasar92]

None, Read James he has some thoughts on that.

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Quasar92

 

[Waggles]

This discussion is controversial because the ministries of the Holy Spirit are often confused. The receiving/indwelling of the Spirit occurs at the moment of salvation. The filling of the Spirit is an ongoing process in the Christian life.

NO. It is you who are confused and you do not understand the scriptures.
Go back and read the book of Acts.

 

[Waggles]

When we believe/receive Jesus as our Lord and Savior, He immediately baptizes us with the Holy Spirit, and we are born again with a new /spirit,i.e., the Holy Spirit.

Simply not true.
The most fundamental necessary requirement to become a Christian disciple is Acts 2:38
Read Acts 8 wherein people were baptized because they believed but as yet had not received the
Holy Spirit.
Again the scriptures from Acts to Jude do not differentiate between an infilling or receiving or baptism
of the Holy Spirit.
And also there is only ONE Bible sign for the evidence or manifestation of the indwelling Holy Spirit
given in the New Testament - speaking in tongues - praying in the Holy Ghost.

 

[Waggles]

Recommended Resource: The Wonderful Spirit-Filled Life by Charles Stanley

You will need to do better than quote Charles Stanley as an authorative source.
I have seen this bloke on the telly and heard his radio broadcasts.
He is woefully wrong and inept at preaching the truth about the gospel of salvation.

 

[Frank Jennings]

The Lord Jesus came and saved me and a few days later baptized I was e in the Holy Spirit and I spoke in tongues have been for forty years. No mysteries here. The believers in Acts chapter 19 were asked by brother Paul "have you received the Holy Spirit SINCE you believed? The believers baptized by John in the Jordan were baptized in the Holy Spirit at or after the day of Pentecost.

How strange that those ignorant of the experience of being baptized in the Holy Spirit, such as the big time denominational preachers, speak with such authority.

There is no baptism of the Holy Spirit without the evidence of speaking in tongues. There are many scriptures in the old testament on this. In job, psalms and Isaiah. Sadly God's very gifts are attacked by those professing to serve Him. There is much to share on this wonderful experience but only to those who are hungry and thirsty for the Lord.

 

[gordonhooker]

The very first paragraph in the OP, in 1 Cor.12:12-13, tells you. When you believe/receive Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior, He baptizes you immediately with the Holy Spirit, as recorded in Mt.3:11.


Quasar92

You have taken 1 Cor.12:12-13 out of context... You don't quite have Mt.3:11 in context either... but I think I get your drift.

We receive the Holy Spirit when we accept the Holy Spirit into our lives. I could be baptised, confirmed and hollered over a 1000 times and I don't say 'yes' to the Holy Spirit I have nothing.

 

[Waggles]

There is no baptism of the Holy Spirit without the evidence of speaking in tongues.

Thankyou
Although you will find that on this Forum such zeal for the gospel of salvation is not shared
nor endorsed by many others here.
Nevertheless, we soldier on.

 

[Wordkeeper]

Baptism of the Holy Spirit by Jesus, as recorded in Mt.3:44, has nothing at all to do with water baptism. Review post #3.


Quasar92

Baptism into Moses, by water, until John.

Baptism into Christ, by the Holy Spirit, after Pentecost, by repenting, meta noia, changing mind, switching loyalty from Egypt/mammon/the world to the Promised Land/Rest/Jesus.

Acts 2:1-4
1When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. 2And suddenly there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance.

Acts 19:1-7
1It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples. 2He said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said to him, “No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.” 3And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” And they said, “Into John’s baptism.” 4Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying. 7There were in all about twelve men.

 

[Quasar92]

You will need to do better than quote Charles Stanley as an authorative source.
I have seen this bloke on the telly and heard his radio broadcasts.
He is woefully wrong and inept at preaching the truth about the gospel of salvation.

You have provided the epitome of meaningless opinion, without a shred of viable Scriptural support, except for Acts 2:38.

The OP fully refutes you with an abundance of Scriptural support that verifies it. Your claim that 1 Cor.12:12-13 was taken out of context, is completely false. Review the following escerpt:

>>>These three passages make it clear that the Holy Spirit is received at the moment of salvation. Paul could not say that we all were baptized by one Spirit and all given one Spirit to drink if not all of the Corinthian believers possessed the Holy Spirit. Romans 8:9 is even stronger, stating that if a person does not have the Spirit, he does not belong to Christ. Therefore, the possession of the Spirit is an identifying factor of the possession of salvation. Further, the Holy Spirit could not be the “seal of salvation” (Ephesians 1:13-14) if He is not received at the moment of salvation. Many scriptures make it abundantly clear that our salvation is secured the moment we receive Christ as Savior.<<<

And where, may I ask, did you obtain your qualifications to teach the Bible?


Quasr92

 

[Quasar92]

You have taken 1 Cor.12:12-13 out of context... You don't quite have Mt.3:11 in context either... but I think I get your drift.

We receive the Holy Spirit when we accept the Holy Spirit into our lives. I could be baptised, confirmed and hollered over a 1000 times and I don't say 'yes' to the Holy Spirit I have nothing.

There is nothing in the OP "taken out of context." It is fully and completely validated from the exegetical provisions of the Scriptures supporting it, as the excerpt that follows below, reveals:

>>>These three passages make it clear that the Holy Spirit is received at the moment of salvation. Paul could not say that we all were baptized by one Spirit and all given one Spirit to drink if not all of the Corinthian believers possessed the Holy Spirit. Romans 8:9 is even stronger, stating that if a person does not have the Spirit, he does not belong to Christ. Therefore, the possession of the Spirit is an identifying factor of the possession of salvation. Further, the Holy Spirit could not be the “seal of salvation” (Ephesians 1:13-14) if He is not received at the moment of salvation. Many scriptures make it abundantly clear that our salvation is secured the moment we receive Christ as Savior.<<<


Quasar92

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

These are the churches that say they are Spirit filled, but show no evidence of it, and are quite happy with their three hymns and a sermon. So, a lukewarm church, which God will not, according to His Word, support it, cannot have The Holy Spirit flowing in it.

To be lukewarm is to be like the surrounding environment. The surrounding environment, the heathen, do not go to church, sit in pews and sing hymns. There is nothing wrong with sitting quietly and politely in church and participating. It says nothing against a person's relationship with the Holy Spirit.

 

[dreadnought]

The Lord (Holy Spirit) enters us - talks to us - at times of his choosing. Actually, he's always with us.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

To be lukewarm is to be like the surrounding environment. The surrounding environment, the heathen, do not go to church, sit in pews and sing hymns. There is nothing wrong with sitting quietly and politely in church and participating. It says nothing against a person's relationship with the Holy Spirit.

This is not how Jesus said it. He spoke to THE CHURCH at Laodicea, not to the surrounding community, the heathen, or those who don't go to church. He was talking to the leaders of the church about what was going on in that church.

My view of lukewarm Christians is of those who are content with three hymns and a sermon and the cup of tea afterward, and ignore the gifts and ministries of The Spirit that are there to build up the church. They are complacent, because they have a good bank account and everything they need, and so they say, "We don't need all that enthusiastic stuff, like tongues, prophecy, healing, worshipful praise. We are conservative sensible people here and we don't want to rock the boat. Our academic, adult bible-class type sermons taking about the Bible are sufficient for us. Don't tell us to actually put those things into actual practice!" These are people who like the warm, fuzzy side of religiosity and turn away from the cold, prickly challenging stuff. They are ones who like having their ears tickled with interesting sermons that don't challenge them, and then they go home full of tea and cookies and forget everything that was said in the sermon. And so they go back next Sunday for their religious fix.

Oh, move the piano three feet the right, or put up a data projector, and they are all up in arms and threaten to leave the church! Jesus said about these people, "You make the Word of God of no effect because of your traditions." Nothing wrong with traditions as such, but when folks put them before God's Word, then that is when problems arise between them and the Lord. Such folks wouldn't know the difference if The Holy Spirit was present in their church or not, because if He was actually there, He would be relegated to the darkest corner of the church with His hands tied so He can't do anything to influence the service!

 

[ViaCrucis]

"Repent and be baptized all of you in the name of the Lord Jesus for the forgiveness of sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." - Acts 2:38

-CryptoLutheran

 

[gordonhooker]

There is nothing in the OP "taken out of context." It is fully and completely validated from the exegetical provisions of the Scriptures supporting it, as the excerpt that follows below, reveals:

>>>These three passages make it clear that the Holy Spirit is received at the moment of salvation. Paul could not say that we all were baptized by one Spirit and all given one Spirit to drink if not all of the Corinthian believers possessed the Holy Spirit. Romans 8:9 is even stronger, stating that if a person does not have the Spirit, he does not belong to Christ. Therefore, the possession of the Spirit is an identifying factor of the possession of salvation. Further, the Holy Spirit could not be the “seal of salvation” (Ephesians 1:13-14) if He is not received at the moment of salvation. Many scriptures make it abundantly clear that our salvation is secured the moment we receive Christ as Savior.<<<


Quasar92

Can you please identify the source of the reference you are using... There are commentaries and things the try to masquerade as commentaries out there hence my my reason for asking for the reference...

 

[Quasar92]

Can you please identify the source of the reference you are using... There are commentaries and things the try to masquerade as commentaries out there hence my my reason for asking for the reference...

The OP comes from gotquestions.org, as so posted at the bottom of the article. I do not have the exact link for it. However, you can go to them online and ask them about it, and I'm sure you will get the answers you are seeking.


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