When Exactly Is the Rapture?

[ForeverSaved]

According to Rev. 3.10, only those Christians who keep the word of His patience will be raptured before the Tribulation.

"Because thou didst keep the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of trial, that [hour] which is to come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." (Rev. 3.10).

When do we see the rapture? Before the trumpets start in Revelation 8.

"...stood before the throne" (Rev. 7.9).

This is a vision of the raptured ones from which they first commence to enter into 3rd heaven before the trumpets of the Tribulation.

When are the Christians who are "left" (Matt. 24.40-41) to be raptured?

"...at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible..." (1 Cor. 15.52).

Do you see the picture of trumpets from the first rapture to the rapture at the 7th trumpet?

Lord may others see this truth also and stop arguing with each other. There ought to be noone here who will argue with this truth, so before posting please humble yourselves by the grace of God before.

 

[KingZzub]

Next Thursday, 11.24 a.m.

Make sure you have clean underwear.

 

[ForeverSaved]

Thanks for that deep, relevant and timely thought, lol.

 

[KingZzub]

Thanks for that deep, relevant and timely thought, lol.

you mock... just you wait ...

Thursday I tell you...

Eat now... calories have no effec t in three days time

 

[BarbB]

Next Thursday, 11.24 a.m.

Make sure you have clean underwear.

LOL, I was going to post similarly! But I don't think we'll need clean underwear -

oh, you meant when our clothes get "left behind", right?

 

[ForeverSaved]

Don't try to read peoples' minds. Inside those minds are much more confusion than you would expect, so do not give them the benefit of the doubt. People like to be coy to point to themselves.

 

[KingZzub]

Don't try and read my mind, you are not a psychic, and if you could read it you'd be in trouble.

Cheers,
Z

 

[BarbB]

Don't try to read peoples' minds. Inside those minds are much more confusion than you would expect, so do not give them the benefit of the doubt. People like to be coy to point to themselves.

You got that right!

Personally I'm pre-mill for a few reasons, mostly relating to Jewish feasts. And I believe that it will be the Fall of 2006 or 2007.

This does not mean that I'm giving up working in the fields for the harvest or waiting on my bum for the trumpet. But I believe that it's really soon. So soon, in fact, that I debated getting a dog a year ago, so I got a hand-me-down older adoptee dog!

 

[ForeverSaved]

You got that right!

Personally I'm pre-mill for a few reasons, mostly relating to Jewish feasts. And I believe that it will be the Fall of 2006 or 2007.

This does not mean that I'm giving up working in the fields for the harvest or waiting on my bum for the trumpet. But I believe that it's really soon. So soon, in fact, that I debated getting a dog a year ago, so I got a hand-me-down older adoptee dog!

As long as you realize that if you are not raptured at first rapture, it is because God wants you to go through the time of testing to overcome, even to be martryed if it is God's will.

Do not make the mistake of thinking you were suppose to be raptured, and if you were not then it cannot be the Tribulation, because then when you are not raptured at first rapture and are in the Tribulation, you won't realize it and be more susceptible to taking the mark than you would have been otherwise.

If you don't know it is the mark or the Tribulation, then you will find yourself unawares, because we are told when the Tribulation starts, Christians will know it and be able to count down the days.

 

[KingZzub]

I am going first bus outta here.

See ya...

I have to, or the Anti-Christ wouldn't be able to come to power...

See?

Cheers,
Z

 

[ForumGuy]

Its not for us to know the hour or day of God's plan. Just wait. It may not be this lifetime, either way we better things to do than worry about the of an event that we cannot possibly know. The Lord has this planned, and that is all we need to know (man I rembered when I used to obsess over Revelations. Not terribly productive)

 

[ForeverSaved]

Its not for us to know the hour or day of God's plan. Just wait. It may not be this lifetime, either way we better things to do than worry about the of an event that we cannot possibly know. The Lord has this planned, and that is all we need to know (man I rembered when I used to obsess over Revelations. Not terribly productive)

God didn't ask you to worry. He asked you to know the truth for the truth sets you free; and it gives comfort to know what is to come.

If you do this according to God's will, you won't make the mistake of being obsessed like you were before. Don't go to extremes: don't one minute get obsessed, and then next shut your mind down altogether as you are now. Stop the extremism! Often people make the mistake you made when they are will-worshipping, and not following the leading of the Holy Spirit in their spirit. May the Lord deliver you from worshipping by the strength of your own flesh.

The truth is that at first rapture God will receive those who are ready (see Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10). This spiritually motivates you to overcome in Christ.

God didn't give the book of Revelation to merely know as little as you. 7 times this book blesses those who read it, and Rev. 1.3 discloses a blessing that no other book of the Bible opens with. You don't have this blessing I see because you prefer to shut your mind down to the truth.

Your teaching is not the same teaching as the Bible. What is your faith?

 

[KingZzub]

Thursday's getting closer...

 

[DeaconDean]

Mock, polk fun, do whatever you want, but the bottom line is, it could be in the next minute, who knows. Personally I'm pre-trib, and try to draw me into a debate for I will not get into it, but He could come back either mid-trib, or He could come back just like the amil's think. Either way, we are to watchfull because:

"Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up." (Matt. 24:42-43)


"Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh." (Matt. 25:13)


"Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." (Mark 13:33-37)

 

[ForeverSaved]

Mock, polk fun, do whatever you want, but the bottom line is, it could be in the next minute, who knows. Personally I'm pre-trib, and try to draw me into a debate for I will not get into it, but He could come back either mid-trib, or He could come back just like the amil's think. Either way, we are to watchfull because:

These are reasons to be watchful, but other verses disclose what will happen to Christians who are watchful and ready.

Are you being watchful and ready overassuming rapture at first rapture? If Paul did not overassume this about himself, then why do you about yourself?

Amill. have NO faith to believe that when Christ returns He will reign in Person for 1000 years with an iron and reward those who were watchful. They are waiting for something else.

"Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up." (Matt. 24:42-43)

"Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh." (Matt. 25:13)

"Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." (Mark 13:33-37)

 

[ForeverSaved]

If you agree with me acknowledge it for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ. If not, don't be coy about it, for this does not glorify God to be coy. If you disagree then say why, just don't say you disagee, otherwise you are declaring from self as the center.

 

[DeaconDean]

and try to draw me into a debate for I will not get into it,

Sorry my typing isn't better, I meant:
"don't try to draw me into a debate for I will not get into it," My views have been a matter of record in this forum for six months now. I have bashed for my beliefs over and over again. The question asked was "When." I said I don't know when. I said all I know is we are to be watchful. Why do you take issue with that?

 

[Jebediah]

I agree with your basic contention. I have also prayed to be "left behind". I want to fight, I am smart, big, strong, technologically inclined, and have a good head for strategy. I could do a lot to help people...the movies are silly in some ways, of course, but one things always stands out to me...the chaos after the disappearances, the government jumping on it as an excuse to crack down and invade civil liberties, and most of all: people suffering and people being brought to Christ before it's too late. Someone has to be willing to take the Tribulation, someone has to be there to help, and I want one of them to be me.

But I agree with two basic raptures, one before Trib and one at Second Coming, at least provisionally...Revelation is very information-dense, I think it will take a lot of careful exegesis to really understand it. I am planning on getting a joint Masters in Divinity and law degree at Regent College after I finish my BA in a couple years...I want to be able to at least help at church if not be a pastor myself. So I am suspending some of my questions about theological issues until I am actually studying them.

Of course, if it is in 2006 I never will finish my grad school work at all...but I also won't have to go one being one of the only Christians at hippy U (University of California at Santa Cruz) so that's cool.

But really, I would like a chance to serve in a bigger way before the game is up...if no rapture by end of grad school that will be in the ministry and in the law as a Christian lawyer. If rapture before then, I want to serve in the tribulation and help others who suffer and try to bring more souls to Christ before it is too late.

 

[ForeverSaved]

You ought not to pray to be left behind, but pray with the hope of the return of Christ to be taken (Matt. 24.40-41). Death is not to be hoped for in martyrdom.

 

[DeaconDean]

He could come back just like the amil's think.

Another typing error, forgive me. I meant:

He could come back just like the post-tribbers think.