When do the last days end?

[claninja]

Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Peter states he was living the in the last days. It appears the last days started during Peter's generation.

When do these last days end? Before the millenium, during the millenium, or after the millenium?

 

[HTacianas]

Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Peter states he was living the in the last days. It appears the last days started during Peter's generation.

When do these last days end? Before the millenium or after the millenium?

It's difficult to tell. Are these "the last days" of the world, or the last days of the old testament age? Did the apostles know what the last days really were?

It could certainly be argued that they were the last days of the old covenant, as there have been no sacrifices since the destruction of the second temple. It is said also that the red yarn on the head of the scapegoat ceased to fade to white around 30 AD.

As to the "millennium", the idea of a millennium is no longer a part of christianity.

 

[ewq1938]

Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Peter states he was living the in the last days.

He doesn't state that in the passage posted.

 

[ewq1938]

As to the "millennium", the idea of a millennium is no longer a part of christianity.

That's false. The Millennium is found in Rev 20 and is mentioned many times as a or the "thousand years".

 

[claninja]

He doesn't state that in the passage posted.

I'm not following you, could you elaborate?

 

[ewq1938]

I'm not following you, could you elaborate?

He doesn't say he is living in the last days.

 

[claninja]

He doesn't say he is living in the last days.

You mean, he literally doesn't say "i am living in the last days"? I agree, there is no greek in acts 2:16-17 that literally states' i am living in the last days".

1.) According to Joel, when would God pour out his spirit? last days
2.) Was Peter living at the time God poured out his spirit? yes

Therefore, Peter was living in the last days. Peter is one that the states THIS IS THAT.

 

[claninja]

That's false. The Millennium is found in Rev 20 and is mentioned many times as a or the "thousand years".

Do the last days occur before or after the millennium?

 

[ewq1938]

You mean, he literally doesn't say "i am living in the last days"? I agree, there is no greek in acts 2:16-17 that literally states' i am living in the last

I didn't say it had to be the exact words and I suspect you already knew that.

 

[ewq1938]

Therefore, Peter was living in the last days. Peter is one that the states THIS IS THAT.

There hasn't been any evidence presented so far that Peter thought he livid in the last days. God pouring his spirit isn't the only thing mentioned regarding the last days.

 

[claninja]

I didn't say it had to be the exact words and I suspect you already knew that.

Sometimes you never know on these forums. People, including myself, can be very nitpicky.

According to Joel when would God pour out his spirit?
Was Peter living when God poured out his spirit?

 

[HTacianas]

That's false. The Millennium is found in Rev 20 and is mentioned many times as a or the "thousand years".

The teaching of a millennium was abrogated by the church long ago. The Nicene Creed was amended to reflect that Christ's kingdom "shall have no end".

 

[ewq1938]

Furthermore, the events of the last days have not happened yet such as the great trib, the Antichrist and his world wide government, the death and public resurrection of the two prophets, the mark of the beast. None of these things have happened not to mention the same day the two prophets rise from the dead the second coming happens.

 

[ewq1938]

The teaching of a millennium was abrogated by the church long ago. The Nicene Creed was amended to reflect that Christ's kingdom "shall have no end".

The Millennium was never "abrogated" by anyone. Both Amil and Pre-mil doctrines believe in a Millennium but the timing of it differs.

 

[claninja]

There hasn't been any evidence presented so far that Peter thought he livid in the last days

Answer the questions then:

1.) According to Joel, when does God pour out his spirit?
2.) Was Peter alive when God's spirit was poured out?

God pouring his spirit isn't the only thing mentioned regarding the last days.

I agree

 

[claninja]

Furthermore, the events of the last days have not happened yet such as the great trib, the Antichrist and his world wide government, the death and public resurrection of the two prophets, the mark of the beast. None of these things have happened not to mention the same day the two prophets rise from the dead the second coming happens.

The Millennium was never "abrogated" by anyone. Both Amil and Pre-mil doctrines believe in a Millennium but the timing of it differs.

So when do the last days occur, before or after the millennium?

 

[ewq1938]

Answer the questions then:

1.) According to Joel, when does God pour out his spirit?
2.) Was Peter alive when God's spirit was poured out?

They are irrelevant. You are claiming that Peter believed he was in the last days when he doesn't. What is happening here is YOU believe Peter was in the last days and have put words into Peter's mouth.

Pro 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

Was the last days back when this verse was written?

 

[ewq1938]

So when do the last days occur, before or after the millennium?

Before the Millennium. The Mill is a different age. The last days is the times before Christ returns up til he does return and all the events related to the second coming happen.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 

[claninja]

They are irrelevant.

questions about Peter quoting Joel are irrelevant to peter quoting Joel? ok.......

You are claiming that Peter believed he was in the last days when he doesn't. What is happening here is YOU believe Peter was in the last days and have put words into Peter's mouth.

I put words in Peter's mouth? No, Peter literally states But this (people presently speaking in tongues) is that (quoting Joel about the last days)

Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Pro 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

Was the last days back when this verse was written?

1st answer the 2 questions posed to you, then I will answer your question. that's how discussions work.

 

[HTacianas]

The Millennium was never "abrogated" by anyone. Both Amil and Pre-mil doctrines believe in a Millennium but the timing of it differs.

Yes. It was. There is a lengthy article describing the history of it at newadvent.org. Search "chiliasm".