When did the Sabbath stop being holy?

Lionroot · Sep 3, 2011

LOCO said:
This is the prophecy about Jesus.

Thats quite a leap don't you think? Is this your personal interpretation, or does the Bible actually indicate that reading somewhere?

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LOCO · Sep 3, 2011

Lionroot said:
Thats quite a leap don't you think? Is this your personal interpretation, or does the Bible actually indicate that reading somewhere?

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Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

It is not my personal interpretation. I don't subscribe to the practice of personal interpretation of Sacred Scripture popular among some modern day Christians.

This interpretation is held by the majority of Christian theologians, Catholic and non-Catholic.

Blessings

LOCO · Sep 3, 2011

bbbbbbb said:
Personally, I do not see the contradiction that many do between worshipping on Sunday and not Saturday. The Sabbath (Saturday) is a day of rest from work, not a day to do work such as religious work or any other sort of work. Those who choose to engage in religious work on Saturday are as guilty of violating the Sabbath as those who work on that day in a factory. Personally, I like to rest on the Sabbath, which I am doing now BTW, and worship on Sunday. God has never restricted His worship to only one day a week, has He?

Exactly why I attend Mass daily.

Blessings 7b's

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 3, 2011

LOCO said:
Sunday was instituted by the CC because that was the day Jesus rose from the dead. Catholics are no longer bound by the Old Covenant. The Old Covenant was between God and the Jewish people ONLY.

Jesus brought about a New Covenant. The New Covenant includes Gentiles. The old laws no longer apply to Catholics.

Blessings

Lionroot · Sep 3, 2011

LOCO said:
It is not my personal interpretation. I don't subscribe to the practice of personal interpretation of Sacred Scripture popular among some modern day Christians.

This interpretation is held by the majority of Christian theologians, Catholic and non-Catholic.

Blessings

So an appeal to tradition...got it

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bbbbbbb · Sep 3, 2011

LOCO said:
Exactly why I attend Mass daily.

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Wonderful. Blessings to you, as well, LOCO

LOCO · Sep 3, 2011

Lionroot said:
So an appeal to tradition...got it

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Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

No, that verse has nothing to do with Sacred Tradition. The majority of Catholic and non-Catholic theologians interpret that particular verse that way.

If you don't interpret that verse that way you would be in the minority.

If you are referring to the practice of worship on Sundays, I would say it is a Catholic Sacred Tradition because Jesus rose on a Sunday.

Being a non-Catholic means that you don't have to worship on Sundays.

You could do what the SDA's do and worship on Saturdays or choose another day, maybe Tuesdays . Knock yourself out, there are 6 other days to choose from.

Blessings

Lionroot · Sep 3, 2011

LOCO said:
No, that verse has nothing to do with Sacred Tradition. The majority of Catholic and non-Catholic theologians interpret that particular verse that way.

If you don't interpret that verse that way you would be in the minority.

If you are referring to the practice of worship on Sundays, I would say it is a Catholic Sacred Tradition because Jesus rose on a Sunday.

Being a non-Catholic means that you don't have to worship on Sundays.

You could do what the SDA's do and worship on Saturdays or choose another day, maybe Tuesdays . Knock yourself out, there are 6 other days to choose from.

Blessings

Wow. Okay, So then:
An appeal to authority
Followed by
An appeal to majority

So in your own words, how do you make that leap, instead of the more obvious meaning?

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LOCO · Sep 3, 2011

Lionroot said:
Wow. Okay, So then:
An appeal to authority
Followed by
An appeal to majority

So in your own words, how do you make that leap, instead of the more obvious meaning?

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Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

I just did in my own words in the earlier post. Did you miss it? Here it is again.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 is a prophecy about Jesus, his mother was a direct descendent of King David of the Royal house of Israel. Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant which includes ALL mankind not just Jews. Jesus is the Lion of Judah.

Of course God wanted all his chosen people to recognise Jesus as the Messiah and many did. However, when Jesus and the Apostles included gentiles in their teachings and stated that Jewish Traditions such as circumcisions and abstaining from certain foods was no longer required - it was not well-received by many.

In those early days their teachings were preparing the people for what was to come, the Crucifixion, Ressurrection and recognition that Jesus had fulfilled all the prophecies of the OT and he was the Mediator of the New Covenant.

Many Jews interpreted that verse as applying ONLY to Jewish people not gentiles. This was in direct contradiction and a challenge to the Sadducees and Pharisees teachings.

Perhaps you could provide us with your interpretation of that verse?

Lionroot · Sep 3, 2011

I believe what the verse says. Literally.

I couldn't break it down anymore for you without knowing which word you don't understand.

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JRSut1000 · Sep 4, 2011

We can pick any day, really? What is with the "pick and choose" Christianity? We can't pick which commands we want to follow and how we want to follow them. The Sabbath is formed after YHWH's day of rest. He rested on the 7th day. It's HIS day after all.

Freedom63 · Sep 4, 2011

JRSut1000 said:
We can pick any day, really? What is with the "pick and choose" Christianity? We can't pick which commands we want to follow and how we want to follow them. The Sabbath is formed after YHWH's day of rest. He rested on the 7th day. It's HIS day after all.

I don't pick and choose at all...Jesus did that for me. Only two commands are left and explained by what He referred to as a new command. We are to love as He loved us ... period. All other commands I reject outright. Jesus fulfilled them and gave me a new and BETTER law...the law of love.

Pick and choose? Nah, I reject ALL of that old covenant nonsense.

JRSut1000 · Sep 4, 2011

IDK what Jesus you serve, but my Jesus would never reject the words and commands of His Father. It just doesn't make sense for Him to say "I havent come to abolish the Law and Prophets, just to abolish them". Sin is still sin, He paid the penalty of it but that doesn't give us liberty to keep transgressing.

The law and prophets HANG ON these 2 commands. It doesn't cancel them out. Think of a mobile, the things that hang on it are part of it!

Lionroot · Sep 4, 2011

Hos 4:6
6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge;

because you have rejected knowledge,

I reject you from being a priest to me.

And since you have forgotten the law of your God,

I also will forget your children.
? ESV

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Lionroot · Sep 4, 2011

Rev 5:10
10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God,

and they shall reign on the earth."
? ESV

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Freedom63 · Sep 4, 2011

Proof texting is both lazy and useless in a theological discussion.

Freedom63 · Sep 4, 2011

JRSut1000 said:
IDK what Jesus you serve, but my Jesus would never reject the words and commands of His Father. It just doesn't make sense for Him to say "I havent come to abolish the Law and Prophets, just to abolish them". Sin is still sin, He paid the penalty of it but that doesn't give us liberty to keep transgressing.

The law and prophets HANG ON these 2 commands. It doesn't cancel them out. Think of a mobile, the things that hang on it are part of it!

Jesus didn't say abolish...He said fulfill. Huge difference. Paul said the law is dead and nailed to the cross along with Jesus. Either Paul was totally wrong and preaching a whole different gospel or your understanding of Jesus' words is flawed.

When we keep the law of love we two have kept the intent of the old law. Simple and beautiful.

Lionroot · Sep 4, 2011

Freedom63 said:
Proof texting is both lazy and useless in a theological discussion.

2Ti 3:16
16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
? ESV

Yes, I can see how scripture is a problem for you. By your own confession you reject God's Law.

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Steve Petersen · Sep 4, 2011

Freedom63 said:
Jesus didn't say abolish...He said fulfill. Huge difference. Paul said the law is dead and nailed to the cross along with Jesus. Either Paul was totally wrong and preaching a whole different gospel or your understanding of Jesus' words is flawed.

When we keep the law of love we two have kept the intent of the old law. Simple and beautiful.

'Fulfill' is used often in Jewish literature in regards to the Law. It means 'to do it.'

Lionroot · Sep 4, 2011

Of course, otherwise Jesus would have been the last to be baptized.

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