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From that time and throughout church history (not just with the early church fathers) there has been a constant battle with false doctrine
Just like today, there is a constant battle with error over truth, ....
examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so'.
Yes, test everything.I know that until Jesus comes again, we will have to continue to watch for false teachers and false prophets (see 1 John 4:1-3) and discern the truth from error.
Ecclesia , the people SAVED already, born again, set apart by YHWH, gathered to talk about YHWH and Y'SHUA (forbidden today in the place you speak of) ....
NOT a business organization, NOT of man's doing,
NOT opposed to Scripture and persecuting and oppressing others.
The counterfeit is much bigger than that which is true.Jesus started a Church and gave it human leaders with his authority to teach and forgive sins.
Do you think his Church failed?
The counterfeit is much bigger than that which is true.
This has always been,
except 2 times in history.
It answers your question perfectly,That doesn't have anything to do with my question.
It answers your question perfectly,
as much as allowed.
If you want a more complete answer,
read "50 Years in the Church" by Chiniquoy.
or
find out about the counterfeit some other way,
if YHWH permits.
So you believe that the gates of Hell prevailed against the Church Jesus started and promised to be with until the end of the world. Interesting view.
That's your view, mistaken entirely, of what the church is.
Ecclesia NEVER was prevailed against.
Anyone in what you call church, anyone anywhere in fact , who is or becomes ecclesia (set apart by YHWH for HIMSELF) ,
likewise overcomes the enemy - by the word of their testimony and the blood of the lamb who was slain.
All the efforts to make a manmade counterfeit into YHWH's people have failed.
The ONLY PLACE you can find out, IF YHWH PERMITS,Where do we find out what the Church teaches so we can listen to it like Jesus commanded?
Irrelevant verses? "Quickly" is in each verse.Can you provide an example? Why post irrelevant verses?
Irrelevant verses? "Quickly" is in each verse.
By not taking "quickly" to heart, the apostles (and early fathers) reverted back to "waiting upon the Lord." Which was not for their time or our time of waiting for Him to come in His glory, but for the time that Israel would wait for His coming in the flesh. So, just as Israel did not know Him when He came, neither did the early fathers know Him when He came [again] "quickly" (just as He said).
The early Fathers lived and died for Christ. What are you talking about?
Not nearly all.
Test everything before believing it.
Be sure SCRIPTURE says so (concerning EACH WORD) -
as many a man has claimed this,
and yet been totally opposed by YHWH.
(like the scribes and pharisees who opposed Y'SHUA)
Yes...you are not getting the point.The early Fathers lived and died for Christ. What are you talking about?
Yes...you are not getting the point.
Christ came in the flesh, and then left them in charge, saying He would return soon ("quickly"). But they did not take it to heart, and went back to the way things were - living for Christ...but not hearing what He said. In other words, they went back to expecting Him to come again in the flesh as if He had not already done so - completely misunderstanding that His return would not be in the flesh, but would be in the full glory of the Father (i.e., in spirit). And as a result, instead of leading people to that glorious end, they lead them astray...just as the fathers of Israel had done: “Woe to you lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge. You did not enter in yourselves, and those who were entering in you hindered.” Luke 11:52
Again, you totally ignore my post and post rambling irrelevancies.
The evidence...is the fact that during their times they only preached the gospel...but did not act upon the messages given to the churches for His return. They were given two tasks, but only received one and not the other.There is zero evidence for that. The early Fathers taught the gospel as it was given to them from Christ.
Pope Clement, writing in about 80 AD:
Chapter 42. The Order of Ministers in the Church.
The apostles have preached the gospel to us from the Lord Jesus Christ; Jesus Christ [has done so] from God.Christ therefore was sent forth by God, and the apostles by Christ. Both these appointments, then, were made in an orderly way, according to the will of God. Having therefore received their orders, and being fully assured by the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, and established in the word of God, with full assurance of the Holy Ghost, they went forth proclaiming that the kingdom of God was at hand. And thus preaching through countries and cities, they appointed the first fruits [of their labours], having first proved them by the Spirit, to be bishopsand deacons of those who should afterwards believe. Nor was this any new thing, since indeed many ages before it was written concerning bishops and deacons. For thus says the Scripture in a certain place, I will appoint their bishops in righteousness, and their deacons in faith.
Were it not for them and Athanasius we could have lost who Jesus is and worship a myth and with myths there is no salvation.
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