When Did Satan Fall From Heaven

[juvenissun]

Luke 10
17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

What do you make of this passage?

Are satan still accusing us in the Heaven today? (And does God still allow satan to test us just as when he tested Job?)

 

[miamited]

Hi Juve,

One possibility is that the birth implies the restoration of the Jewish State in 1948 (?). Or, do you prefer to see is as the birth of Lord Jesus?

Well, it's my understanding that the 'woman' is understood by born again believers to be Israel. If this passage were referring to the reinstatement of Israel's statehood in 1948 wouldn't then the truth be that the woman was giving birth to the woman?

Further, doesn't the passage say that she gave birth to a male child? Israel has never, in all of the Scriptures from Genesis to the Revelation been referred to as a male, except as the proper name Israel. Wouldn't this, at the very least, cause a giant question mark to come up regarding the understanding that you posted? Throughout the Scriptures Israel is referred to as a harlot, an adulter'ess'. I don't believe that there is a single reference in the Scriptures, apart from this one, that God ever uses male or male gender terms to describe Israel. Do you find that odd?

God bless you.
IN Christ, Ted

 

[miamited]

Hi Juve,

So, you ask, what's your point Ted? Well, yes, I believe that the woman giving birth to the male child is Israel bringing forth the Messiah. So, John saw a vision of this. Now, let's understand that a vision doesn't, in and of itself, infer future events. It just means that he saw something in a, for lack of a better word, dream type. So, John is seeing this vision of something that had, at the point that John was writing the Revelation, already happened. Satan was standing before Israel watching as 'she' gave birth to the 'male child' Messiah. And he tried his level best to put Jesus away while he came to minister to Israel, but was completely unsuccessful.

Now, your conclusion is, "Well, that means that the birth of Jesus is during the tribulation." No it doesn't! You see, as I understand the book of the Revelation, its proper title is, The Revelation of Jesus Christ. Well, when was Jesus revealed to the world? At his birth! So, a complete and full revelation of who and what Jesus is would begin at his birth.

The horsemen of the 'apocolypse'. They aren't future events to John. That also was a vision of something that had already taken place. However, at some point in the account of the Revelation we go from what has already been revealed in the past about Jesus and his work to gain our salvation and the future that is yet to come, up to and including judgment, and the final destiny of both the damned and the righteous. In other words, the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is an account of all that Jesus has done to work out our salvation from his birth, death, resurrection and final judgment and the names that he has written in his book of life.

So, what we are reading today as chapter 12 of the Revelation of Jesus has already occurred and once Satan saw that he was not able to overcome God's great plan of salvation by stopping the work of Jesus as he lived and taught among Israel, he turned his attention to the rest of us who have sought to keep the word of God. Friend, this is an ongoing battle that has been waging since Jesus death, burial and resurrection. Just as the first disciples taught, Satan now prowls like a roaring lion seeing whom he may devour among the people of God, christians! Satan was cast down to the earth sometime during Jesus' life among us.

Now, there is evidence that it may have happened before Jesus' death and resurrection as Jesus told his disciples after sending them out as 72 to begin to spread the gospel, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." So, there is some evidence that it was as the proclamation of truth began to spread about the earth that Satan was actually cast out of God's presence in heaven.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Are satan still accusing us in the Heaven today? (And does God still allow satan to test us just as when he tested Job?)

I think Jesus kicked Satan out of the Heaven down to here after His crucifixion and ascension.
Otherwise, Jesus and Satan are both together up there having a chat and eating meals together

 

[juvenissun]

Think about this matter from another point of view:

There should be a good reason for the satan to be kicked out of Haven. The rebelling of satan does not begin today. His intention was clear back to the time of Adam. Why was he not kicked out then, but now?

Also, does satan leave the Heaven voluntarily or is driven out by God? If I were satan, I will try to hang on to the Haven as long as possible. I do think there is no problem for satan to stay around God. Satan, like every other angels, obeys God in an absolute sense. So we can say that satan never sin and could not sin. Satan cheats, lies. But he does that to human, not to God.

 

[Treasurer]

Satan is a liar and a theif. Both of these things are a sin. He did commit sin against God; Jesus said if you do it to the least of these you have done it to me (whether good or bad). We are not to kill as it says in Genesis because we are made in the image of God. Casting out and Judgement are two different things. Satan and the angels are not yet judged, that happens at the very end judgement. Paul even makes the statement that man will judge the angels.

My thought is that Satan was cast out by Jesus. I think this because Jesus took away Satans power of condemnation over us. Satan may try and get us to believe we are not forgiven (same ole tricks). Jesus gave his disciples the authority to cast out demons/devils. Not sure if they did this prior to Jesus, but they sure did after. I think this gift that he gave the disciples was significant.

Jesus paid the price for everybody. Whether or not everybody accepts this gift is irrelavent in this reguard: Satan no longer has the power to accuse the bretheren, why, because Jesus paid the price.

My take is Satan is no longer allowed in the throne room of God. He no longer is allowed audience.

 

[miamited]

Hi all,

Well, we can philosophize and considerize all we care to, but what the Scriptures tell us, when we put all the pieces together regarding the subject is this:

Satan is a created angel of God who rebelled against God's supreme authority exactly the same as man has. He even held out to Eve as the temptation for eating the forbidden fruit that she would 'be like God', which is the same thing that Satan sought for. There was a war in heaven between the obedient angels of God and Satan and God's angels won. When the victory over Satan was gained in the realm of God, Satan was cast out of that realm to the realm of men where he now operates as a still very, very powerful created angel among men.

At the end of days which culminate in the judgment of every creature that God has made with an eternal life, Satan and all of the angels that sided with him and all men who have refused God's rightful authority will be cast together to continue their eternal existence, in a place which the Scriptures refer to as a place of eternal torment, weeping and gnashing of teeth.

That seems to be the fairly clear teaching of the Scriptures. According to Jesus, this event of Satan's defeat and subsequent casting to the earth to torment and tempt men away from God, just as he did with Eve, was consummated sometime during his visitation to us.

Now, there is still coming a time in which our Lord will reign for 1000 years and Satan will be temporarily bound even from the earth and its inhabitants, as we learn to live under the authority of our Lord, without his tempting us. However, after those days, he will be released and then will come the judgment.

That' the way I understand it.
God bless you all.
In Christ, Ted

 

[juvenissun]

Satan is a liar and a theif. Both of these things are a sin. He did commit sin against God; Jesus said if you do it to the least of these you have done it to me (whether good or bad). We are not to kill as it says in Genesis because we are made in the image of God. Casting out and Judgement are two different things. Satan and the angels are not yet judged, that happens at the very end judgement. Paul even makes the statement that man will judge the angels.

My thought is that Satan was cast out by Jesus. I think this because Jesus took away Satans power of condemnation over us. Satan may try and get us to believe we are not forgiven (same ole tricks). Jesus gave his disciples the authority to cast out demons/devils. Not sure if they did this prior to Jesus, but they sure did after. I think this gift that he gave the disciples was significant.

Jesus paid the price for everybody. Whether or not everybody accepts this gift is irrelavent in this reguard: Satan no longer has the power to accuse the bretheren, why, because Jesus paid the price.

My take is Satan is no longer allowed in the throne room of God. He no longer is allowed audience.

That is a very good point and it also answers other questions. Thanks a lot. May God bless you with a lot of His wisdom.

Your answer reminds me that if the salvation were available at the time of Job, then the accusation of satan against Job would not stand before God. That is a very good thought. It directly compares the effect of salvation to Job's human righteousness.

May be the main reason that the Holy Spirit is given to all of us in the NT time but not in the OT time is because satan becomes the king of the earth since Jesus was crucified. Without the Holy Spirit, human is no match to satan.

So, the time for the satan to leave the Heaven (voluntarily, in order to make an all out war) and come to the earth for good was when Jesus was born. Because satan knew that if Jesus succeeded in His mission, then he will lose his purpose of being in the Heaven. And that will explain why so many demons also showed up since Jesus' time.

I would appreciate to see someone who can make argument against this idea.

 

[juvenissun]

Hi all,

Well, we can philosophize and considerize all we care to, but what the Scriptures tell us, when we put all the pieces together regarding the subject is this:

Satan is a created angel of God who rebelled against God's supreme authority exactly the same as man has. He even held out to Eve as the temptation for eating the forbidden fruit that she would 'be like God', which is the same thing that Satan sought for. There was a war in heaven between the obedient angels of God and Satan and God's angels won. When the victory over Satan was gained in the realm of God, Satan was cast out of that realm to the realm of men where he now operates as a still very, very powerful created angel among men.

At the end of days which culminate in the judgment of every creature that God has made with an eternal life, Satan and all of the angels that sided with him and all men who have refused God's rightful authority will be cast together to continue their eternal existence, in a place which the Scriptures refer to as a place of eternal torment, weeping and gnashing of teeth.

That seems to be the fairly clear teaching of the Scriptures. According to Jesus, this event of Satan's defeat and subsequent casting to the earth to torment and tempt men away from God, just as he did with Eve, was consummated sometime during his visitation to us.

Now, there is still coming a time in which our Lord will reign for 1000 years and Satan will be temporarily bound even from the earth and its inhabitants, as we learn to live under the authority of our Lord, without his tempting us. However, after those days, he will be released and then will come the judgment.

That' the way I understand it.
God bless you all.
In Christ, Ted

I still have argument about the sin of satan. I still think satan is not able to sin against God. Because satan is an angel. And angel, by nature, can not directly sin against God. (It is shocking to know that human CAN.)

The only way that satan can "fight" against God is to spoil God's best plan. Of course, this is based on that God allows satan to do so. For God, this is also a way to sort out human, who has the free will, and some choose to follow God and some choose not to follow God. So, in a sense, satan is actually doing what God wants him to do. But from satan's point of view, since human is God's best creation, satan would be more successful (in defeating God) if satan can draw as many human as possible to go away from God. Because God loves every human beings.

Sin is an action or a thought against God's will or command. Satan is not able to do that at all. So, satan does NOT sin against God. All satan can do is trying to destroy God's creation with the permission of God. Don't forget that God ALLOWS satan to become the king of the earth. Whatever satan does to the earth is permitted.

 

[Treasurer]

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness to be reserved unto judgement;...

Isaiah 14:

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Could this be the sin...

 

[miamited]

Hi Juve,

You wrote:

I still have argument about the sin of satan. I still think satan is not able to sin against God. Because satan is an angel. And angel, by nature, can not directly sin against God. (It is shocking to know that human CAN.)

The only way that satan can "fight" against God is to spoil God's best plan. Of course, this is based on that God allows satan to do so. For God, this is also a way to sort out human, who has the free will, and some choose to follow God and some choose not to follow God. So, in a sense, satan is actually doing what God wants him to do. But from satan's point of view, since human is God's best creation, satan would be more successful (in defeating God) if satan can draw as many human as possible to go away from God. Because God loves every human beings.

Sin is an action or a thought against God's will or command. Satan is not able to do that at all. So, satan does NOT sin against God. All satan can do is trying to destroy God's creation with the permission of God. Don't forget that God ALLOWS satan to become the king of the earth. Whatever satan does to the earth is permitted.

While I appreciate you hold this understanding, I would direct you to the word of God for the truth. See above Scripture referenced by treasurer. God's word says that angels have sinned. If angels have sinned then they can sin. One of the great dangers of men and angels is to believe things that aren't true because they some how seem right to us. Remember always, God and what He creates are not bound by any sense of righteousness of the created, but rather the idea of righteousness of the Creator.

Now, friend, you have built an entire philosophy of belief based on your own idea that angels can't sin. God's word tells you that not only can they, but they have. I'm going with God's word.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[Keachian]

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness to be reserved unto judgement;...

Isaiah 14:

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Could this be the sin...

As I said before Isaiah 14 is not about Satan, it is medieval folklore around the Bible and the equation of lucifer (lit. light bearer) with the fallen angel Satan. I'd be inclined to say that the hebrew word הילל (heylel) is a a name for the planet Venus, which Isaiah mockingly states that the King of Babylon is calling himself (cf. Is 14:3-4)

 

[Treasurer]

Do you really think Isaiah under divine inspiration would quote folklore? Whether or not you believe this to be about Satan, you do realize Satan rebelled against God. Rebellion was one of our sins in the garden.

However, there really isnt much written in our texts concerning the angels, other than their interaction with us. We dont know about the war that is taking place in Heaven between the angels, just that there is a war. As we are told, we fight an unseen enemy. We also know that "hell or lake of fire" was not intended for man, but was made for the angels (bad angels). Matthew 25:41 states, " Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"...

There are two TANKH scriptures I believe to illude to Satan: Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28. They do speak of Babylon and Tyre, I agree. But I still believe them to illude to Satan/Lucifer.

God uses shadow pictures and parables to relate spiritual things to us. Just look at Nicodemus who was so knowledgable in the Torah:

John 3
There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven...

 

[miamited]

Hi progmonk,

You responded: As I said before Isaiah 14 is not about Satan, it is medieval folklore around the Bible and the equation of lucifer (lit. light bearer) with the fallen angel Satan. I'd be inclined to say that the hebrew word הילל (heylel) is a a name for the planet Venus, which Isaiah mockingly states that the King of Babylon is calling himself (cf. Is 14:3-4)

Well, since you aren't actually the author and are some couple of thousand years removed from the original writer, I hope that you won't be too terribly disappointed that I'm not willing to accept your explanation and understanding as the truth. However, in this case we can throw out that passage because there are other places that support the understanding that angels can and do sin.

God bless you.
IN Christ, Ted

 

[Keachian]

Do you really think Isaiah under divine inspiration would quote folklore? Whether or not you believe this to be about Satan, you do realize Satan rebelled against God. Rebellion was one of our sins in the garden.

However, there really isnt much written in our texts concerning the angels, other than their interaction with us. We dont know about the war that is taking place in Heaven between the angels, just that there is a war. As we are told, we fight an unseen enemy. We also know that "hell or lake of fire" was not intended for man, but was made for the angels (bad angels). Matthew 25:41 states, " Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"...

There are two TANKH scriptures I believe to illude to Satan: Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28. They do speak of Babylon and Tyre, I agree. But I still believe them to illude to Satan/Lucifer.

God uses shadow pictures and parables to relate spiritual things to us. Just look at Nicodemus who was so knowledgable in the Torah:

John 3
There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven...

I probably didn't make myself clear enough sorry, what I meant to say was that the linking of Is 14:12 with Luke 10:18 is one tenuous and first proposed by the Apostolic Fathers that was in vogue in the middle ages and has become in my opinion so extrabiblical (consider Gap Theory and pre-Adamic men) that it basically is folklore that Satan was called Lucifer

 

[juvenissun]

While I appreciate you hold this understanding, I would direct you to the word of God for the truth. See above Scripture referenced by treasurer. God's word says that angels have sinned. If angels have sinned then they can sin.

OK, angels (in general) can sin.

Now, here is the question as a consequence of that:

What is the basic difference between angel and human, except the limitations that is temporarily put on human during this short period of time? Why can human govern in the Heaven, but angel can not? In the Heaven, how is human better than angel?

My point is: there is a very fundamental difference between human and angel. Human can sin, but angel can not. Except this, I don't see any other difference. If angel can sin as easily as human does, then why would God want to create human? Why not just give salvation to repented angels? If angel can sin, that means they have free will to sin. If they have free will, then why can't they also repent?

 

[miamited]

OK, angels (in general) can sin.

Now, here is the question as a consequence of that:

What is the basic difference between angel and human, except the limitations that is temporarily put on human during this short period of time? Why can human govern in the Heaven, but angel can not? In the Heaven, how is human better than angel?

My point is: there is a very fundamental difference between human and angel. Human can sin, but angel can not. Except this, I don't see any other difference. If angel can sin as easily as human does, then why would God want to create human? Why not just give salvation to repented angels? If angel can sin, that means they have free will to sin. If they have free will, then why can't they also repent?

Oh there are at least five other differences that I have found in the Scriptures.

1. Angels are way more powerful than any man.
2. Angels live in a different realm than we do.
3. Angels have existed longer than we have.
4. Angels have not been given any offer of salvation.
5. Angels will only suffer the one death.
6. According to Jesus angels are not given in marriage and there doesn't seem to be any method of angels procreating. God made each and every one of them to be as they are and who they are for their purpose before God.


You ask why, God is allowing man a way of redemption and not angels?

Well, in all honesty the Scriptures don't share the reason/s for that. However, I do have a 'theory' about it.

Angels live in the very presence of God. Therefore, angels know, they know - without any doubt that God exists and my theory is that because they know full well that there is a God and they are rebelling against Him that he has not allowed them a 'second chance'. Man, on the other hand, must believe and trust in God on faith. They must be taught that there is a God and taught to obey Him and therefore, God has allowed that their sin before knowing the truth can be atoned for.

However, consider that the end result will be the same for both men and angels. Those angels who have obeyed God and those men who have learned to obey God will receive His reward. The angels who have chosen to rebel against God and all men who have likewise rebelled against the authority of God will be cast out.

The Scriptures declare that we are made lower than the angels and it would seem that because of our place we are allowed extra grace.

However, this is one of those questions that we can guess and consider for centuries, but we won't be assured that we know the truth until we have an opportunity to ask the Creator. But, be assured that whatever the reason, it is right in God's sight and I will again warn that if anyone thinks to themself that they will be able, on that day of judgment, to shake their fist in God's face and declare that it just ain't fair... that's not a good plan. God is God and He has revealed all that you need to know that you may find the way of salvation. He asks you to partner with Him and see that as many people as it is within your power to teach His ways, that you do. But ultimately, don't let the plight of the angels rob you of eternal life anymore than you'd let the guy that everybody knows in the middle of the African/South American (put in the place or continent of your choosing) continent that's never heard of Jesus.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[Treasurer]

Angels dont need salvation, as we do, because they are immortal. The need for our salvation was death.

Angels must be allowed free will as we understand it, because why else would satan bring a rebellion against God. He is permitted, at least for a time, a rebellion.

Can we agree that Genesis is speaking of Satan in the garden of Eden?
Perhaps as far as Satan is concerned, he is the fruit/tree (since we are said to produce the fruit of the Spirit of God as believers in Jesus). So instead of Satan being a sinner, he is sin. And by partaking in sin/death we become sinners. One example being Satan is called the father of lies.

I am just trying to think some of this thru. Will see what others think as well.

And no, you are right I wasnt there when God spoke thru Isaiah, so it is impossible to know what times were like back then. We only know what was written about those times, and still our understanding is limited. I am trying to understand the past by learning about Paleo Hebrew and concretes vs abstract thinking. At this point in my journey I still cannot read ancient texts, let alone from a Hebrew mindset of the past or of the mind of God.

I hope you too are open to whatever the truth actually is.

I enjoy learning, and this is an opportunity for that.

 

[juvenissun]

This is how I summarize it on this issue. Thanks the input from Treasurer and Miamited.

Angels do sin. But they sin in a very different way than human. Before they sin, they obey God's command in 100%. But if they sinned, that means they rebelled and not listen to God any more (i.e. 0%). There are such angels in the OT time, and there came more since Jesus was born. Examples are the demons that Jesus and His disciples chased out. As a consequence, once an angel rebelled (sinned), he can not stay in the Heaven any more. Either he is imprisoned (rare case), or he is simply barred from Heaven and can only wonder outside the Heaven. Since humans are on the earth, most likely, those sinned angels will come to the earth.

Satan is one of the angels. He wondered between the earth and the Heaven and accused faithfuls before God. He obeyed God, but one of his goal is to destroy human, which is God's best creation (The best job ever done by satan was the one to Adam in the Garden). Then it happened that Jesus was born and the salvation was about to be given. Satan knows that once the salvation is completed, then he can no longer accuse anyone any more. So he rebelled and made an all out war to Jesus and humans. But he failed and was defeated by Jesus. Now, satan can only be the king of the earth and keep his fight with Christians who is armored by the Holy Spirit. Even he is still fighting God, the only way he and his angels can do is to sink as many humans as possible with them. And that is what we are seeing today and into the future.

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OK, this is my polished version. Any more comment? It will be very appreciated.

 

[Erik Nelson]

"Everything up through Genesis 1:31 was 'Good'":

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Job 38:4-7 pictures the Angels of God singing during the formation of Earth (Genesis 1:2). This need not support "Gap theory", but simply that the Angels, as heavenly beings, were created... when God created the heavens (Genesis 1:1)

Presumably, the 7th Day was also "Good" because God blessed it (Genesis 2:1-3).

The first time the word "bad" is used is not until Genesis 2:9, in the "tree of the knowledge of good & bad" in Eden.

Ipso facto, the fall of Satan, the Dragon, the ancient Serpent (Hebrew nachash) of Gen 3, must have occurred prior to Genesis 2:9. Consistent with the view that Satan fell "in protest" against God's plan for humanity to develop until they outranked the Angels themselves (1 Corinthians 6:3).

Satan rebelled while early prehistoric humans in Eden were as yet still "a little lower than the Angels" (Hebrews 2:7 = Psalm 8:5). Satan and, eventually, a third of the Angels (Revelation 12:4) rebelled and assaulted earth & its human population to maintain their status quo and suppress humanity by deceiving humanity "using every 'in' available" so as to thwart human development and destroy the species.