When did dinosaurs turn into birds?

[Hieronymus]

Theistic Evolution says that DNA is the "Language of God".

Theistic evolution is slow creation.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Theistic evolution is slow creation.

Theistic Evolution shows us how God does what He does. Her gives us wisdom, knowledge and understanding so that we can give Him Praise and Honor and Glory for the all that He has done.

19 The LORD by wisdom founded the earth, By understanding He established the heavens. 20By His knowledge the deeps were broken up And the skies drip with dew. (Prov 3)

 

[USincognito]

-_- and? You do realize that evolution can explain highly specialized body structures, right?
Also, feathers do have many secondary functions, such as mate attraction and warmth.

Yeah, wonder if Mr. Bosch will explain to use how peacock feathers are "highly specialized for flight" Or how the wing feathers of ostriches are "highly specialized for flight"? Or how penguin feathers are "highly specialized for flight"?

 

[USincognito]

If you think you refuted my post, you didn't.

Bahahahah! You post was noting more substantive than "Nuh uh!". There was zero there to refute because there was zero content. The OP, on the other hand, was full of substance that you failed to address with your "Oh yeah" level response.

Care to actually try and address the OP now?

 

[Hoghead1]

Theistic Evolution says that DNA is the "Language of God".

"In the very moment of that flash in which the universe was created, an unimaginable burst of energy, God also had the plan of how that would coalesce into stars and galaxies, planets, and how life would arrive on a small planet near the outer rim of a spiral galaxy. And ultimately, over hundreds of millions of years, give rise to creatures with intelligence and in whom he could infuse this search for him and this knowledge of good and evil. And all of that happened in his mind in the blink of an eye. While it may seem to us that this whole process has the risk of randomness and, therefore, an unpredictable outcome, that was not the case for God." (Francis Collins)

Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Scien...tific-Adventures.aspx?p=2#VHQahbz9W5GW1El0.99

That is the Collins version of "theistic evolution," not mine, not how I see God related to evolution.

 

[Hoghead1]

Theistic evolution is slow creation.

NO, not necessarily. I believe it much depends on the circumstances.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Yet the theory can't account for how...

Sigh, in summary, some mutations do in fact produce features that are beneficial to survival and reproduction. These mutations thus are passed down to the next generation, and so on and so forth, until the resulting population mostly contains individuals with the trait that started from a mutation in a population in which it was previously absent.

Feathers obviously did not start out specialized for flight, but are structures much like hair. In case you haven't noticed, they play a large role in the reproduction of most bird species in that they are used to attract mates. Same goes for dinosaurs, thus, individuals with more feathers and more colorful ones reproduced more successfully, thus increasing the number of feathers on future generations until it covered their whole bodies. These dinosaurs already were rather small bodied and liked to climb, so feathers that aided in jumping between trees, then gliding, then flying short distances, and so on and so forth were naturally selected for until you get the specialized feathers we associate with flight.

 

[joshua 1 9]

That is the Collins version of "theistic evolution," not mine, not how I see God related to evolution.

I am pretty sure that Collins has more of a following then you do.

 

[USincognito]

Dinosaurs turned into birds? Wow. Never heard that before. I did hear that birds are the most 'similar' animals to dinosaurs, but that they both developed independently.

...I don't believe it.

That birds evolved from theropod dinosaurs has been known for ~30 years. One of the supreme ironies of Mary Schweitzer's find, which Creationists love to trumpet as a falsification of evolution, actually shows that birds are most closely related to theropod dinosaurs like T-Rex.

 

[46AND2]

According to they theory of evolution code writes itself.

Sure...in the same way hydrogen and oxygen are coded to make water.

 

[DogmaHunter]

If you think you refuted my post, you didn't.

There's nothing in your post that needs any refutation.

Bare assertions aren't topics of debate. They are, instead, meaningless one liners that can be dismissed just as easily as they are stated.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Feather are highly specialised things for flight.

The Ostrich, and plenty of other flightless birds with feathers, disagree.

Also, maybe you should read this:
https://askabiologist.asu.edu/content/23-functions-feathers

Flight is just one aspect of feathered wings.
Not to mention that there are flyers out there that don't have feathers at all, but manage just fine. Hi, bat.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Yet the theory can't account for how...

The mechanism for evolution is explained in great detail. Your ignorance of this mechanism, is not an argument against it.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Theistic Evolution says that DNA is the "Language of God".

"In the very moment of that flash in which the universe was created, an unimaginable burst of energy, God also had the plan of how that would coalesce into stars and galaxies, planets, and how life would arrive on a small planet near the outer rim of a spiral galaxy. And ultimately, over hundreds of millions of years, give rise to creatures with intelligence and in whom he could infuse this search for him and this knowledge of good and evil. And all of that happened in his mind in the blink of an eye. While it may seem to us that this whole process has the risk of randomness and, therefore, an unpredictable outcome, that was not the case for God." (Francis Collins)

Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Scien...tific-Adventures.aspx?p=2#VHQahbz9W5GW1El0.99

Francis Collins also said:
Universal common descent by natural processes is scientifically non‐negotiable. The theory of neo‐Darwinian evolution cannot rationally be doubted by any educated person.

Why do you never share that quote of him?

 

[DogmaHunter]

I am pretty sure that Collins has more of a following then you do.

It doesn't seem like you are a part of that following though...

Seeing as the only things you agree on with him is that your deity of choice played "a" role in the process. And that's about it....

Or do you also agree with this statement of Collins:
Universal common descent by natural processes is scientifically non‐negotiable. The theory of neo‐Darwinian evolution cannot rationally be doubted by any educated person.

So, do you? A "yes" or "no" will suffice.

 

[joshua 1 9]

It doesn't seem like you are a part of that following though...

Any port in a storm. No one else seems to want to have a serious conversation about the subject that this forum was developed to discuss.

 

[Papias]

NO, (theistic evolution is not 'slow creation') not necessarily. I believe it much depends on the circumstances.

I'm a theistic evolution supporter who fully accepts common descent and the reality of evolution as shown by mainstream science. I am perfectly comfortable calling it "slow creation".

What's the problem with "slow creation"? It's still God doing the creating - he's just not poofing things into existence, but rather using evolution.

Francis Collins' view doesn't contradict the evidence nor modern science - why not support it?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Any port in a storm. No one else seems to want to have a serious conversation about the subject that this forum was developed to discuss.

You didn't answer my question.

I'll ask again:

Do you also agree with this statement of Collins:
Universal common descent by natural processes is scientifically non‐negotiable. The theory of neo‐Darwinian evolution cannot rationally be doubted by any educated person.

So, do you? A "yes" or "no" will suffice.

 

[joshua 1 9]

You didn't answer my question.

I'll ask again:

Do you also agree with this statement of Collins:
Universal common descent by natural processes is scientifically non‐negotiable. The theory of neo‐Darwinian evolution cannot rationally be doubted by any educated person.

So, do you? A "yes" or "no" will suffice.

If anyone alive knows it would be Collins sense he was director and leading expert in that Arena.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Francis Collins' view doesn't contradict the evidence nor modern science - why not support it?

Collins has to be slightly more of a moderate.