When Arabs knew God's name.

[Mahammad]

English spelling "Banu Asadullah"
Since national pride is more important to you, there is nothing more to say.

there's no national pride I'm testing you and no there is no such tribe named banu Asaduallah, they are just banu Asad.

 

[JudaicChristian]

there's no national pride I'm testing you and no there is no such tribe named banu Asaduallah, they are just banu Asad.

Here: Bani Assad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Go and start your own thread on the subject. The subject does not interest me.

 

[Mahammad]

where is the word Assaduallah?

anyway the name Allah came from Abraham(pbuh) and his son Ishmael(pbuh) not pagans.


and Abraham(pbuh) wasn't a hebrew or an Arab.


Aramics also called him Elah

 

[JudaicChristian]

where is the word Assaduallah?

anyway the name Allah came from Abraham(pbuh) and his son Ishmael(pbuh) not pagans.


and Abraham(pbuh) wasn't a hebrew or an Arab.


Aramics also called him Elah

Very well then, let's see your historical documents as proof for this claim. Arabs have never been known for being truthful. If you can produce any ancient historical ducument that shows Abraham as not being a Hebrew, or that he called God Allah; then you will have proven that Islam is the only true religion.

 

[Mahammad]

truthful to whom?

 

[JudaicChristian]

truthful to whom?

Stop stalling and show your proof.

 

[ZahavaP]

You got it! All those scholars and Rabbi's who say "We can only guess how the Name is spelled/pronounced because no one wrote it in full out of respect for It." are wrong.

Actually, the rabbi's are not wrong.


With the Temple destroyed and the prohibition on pronouncing The Name outside of the Temple, pronunciation of the Name fell into disuse. Scholars passed down knowledge of the correct pronunciation of YHVH for many generations, but eventually the correct pronunciation was lost, and we no longer know it with any certainty. We do not know what vowels were used, or even whether the Vav in the Name was a vowel or a consonant.

See Hebrew Alphabet for more information about the difficulties in pronouncing Hebrew. Some religious scholars suggest that the Name was pronounced "Yahweh," but others do not find this pronunciation particularly persuasive.
Some people render the four-letter Name as "Jehovah," but this pronunciation is particularly unlikely. The word "Jehovah" comes from the fact that ancient Jewish texts used to put the vowels of the Name "Adonai" (the usual substitute for YHVH) under the consonants of YHVH to remind people not to pronounce YHVH as written. A sixteenth century German Christian scribe, while transliterating the Bible into Latin for the Pope, wrote the Name out as it appeared in his texts, with the consonants of YHVH and the vowels of Adonai, and came up with the word JeHoVaH, and the name stuck.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Actually, the rabbi's are not wrong.


With the Temple destroyed and the prohibition on pronouncing The Name outside of the Temple, pronunciation of the Name fell into disuse. Scholars passed down knowledge of the correct pronunciation of YHVH for many generations, but eventually the correct pronunciation was lost, and we no longer know it with any certainty. We do not know what vowels were used, or even whether the Vav in the Name was a vowel or a consonant.

See Hebrew Alphabet for more information about the difficulties in pronouncing Hebrew. Some religious scholars suggest that the Name was pronounced "Yahweh," but others do not find this pronunciation particularly persuasive.
Some people render the four-letter Name as "Jehovah," but this pronunciation is particularly unlikely. The word "Jehovah" comes from the fact that ancient Jewish texts used to put the vowels of the Name "Adonai" (the usual substitute for YHVH) under the consonants of YHVH to remind people not to pronounce YHVH as written. A sixteenth century German Christian scribe, while transliterating the Bible into Latin for the Pope, wrote the Name out as it appeared in his texts, with the consonants of YHVH and the vowels of Adonai, and came up with the word JeHoVaH, and the name stuck.

Your information is out dated and in error, and it also contradicts what God says in scripture. Modern Hebrew is not the same as ancient Hebrew. Ancient Hebrew did not use the letter "E" as a vowel. Vav is a Germanic influence over Hebrew. The letter "J" is only about 500 years old. There is no vowel between Yah and Wah.

 

[ZahavaP]

Your information is out dated and in error, and it also contradicts what God says in scripture. Modern Hebrew is not the same as ancient Hebrew. Ancient Hebrew did not use the letter "E" as a vowel. Vav is a Germanic influence over Hebrew. The letter "J" is only about 500 years old. There is no vowel between Yah and Wah.

and your source is?

I don't have posting rights for hyperlinks until I reach 50 points. But my info was taking from aish.com

 

[JudaicChristian]

and your source is?

I don't have posting rights for hyperlinks until I reach 50 points. But my info was taking from aish.com

The Orthodox Jews that I have spoken with in Israel say they know His name.
My source is scripture, archaeology, and history or historical documents.

 

[Mahammad]

The Orthodox Jews that I have spoken with in Israel say they know His name.
My source is scripture, archaeology, and history or historical documents.

a Jewish rabbi told me that David(pbuh) never sinned, when it says that he sinned in the Torah.

do not believe anything you hear or read.


PS, sorry maybe not in the Torah but in the Zabour or something.

 

[JudaicChristian]

a Jewish rabbi told me that David(pbuh) never sinned, when it says that he sinned in the Torah.

do not believe anything you hear or read.

I do not believe everything I hear or read. That means coming to the truth can be a real trick, when you are surrounded by liars.

 

[ZahavaP]

The Orthodox Jews that I have spoken with in Israel say they know His name.
My source is scripture, archaeology, and history or historical documents.

My husband is an Israeli Orthodox and he does not pronounce the 4 letter name of G-d. We say HaShem (the Name), Ribbono Shel Olam (Master/Creator of the World); HaKodesh Boruch Hu (The Holy Blessed is He) when we speak everyday. When we pray. We use Adonai.

 

[JudaicChristian]

My husband is an Israeli Orthodox and he does not pronounce the 4 letter name of G-d. We say HaShem (the Name), Ribbono Shel Olam (Master/Creator of the World); HaKodesh Boruch Hu (The Holy Blessed is He) when we speak everyday. When we pray. We use Adonai.

Being a Judaic Christian it is not against my belief to speak His name. Here is a little history for you:
After killing Christians, the Jews would take the New testament scripture written in Hebrew, and carefully cut the name of God out. Then they would place the divine name in a safe place to keep. Following that, they then would burn the remainder of the scrolls in a fire.
Rabbi Yose who lived during the second century AD states that, "One cuts out the reference to the Divine Name which are in them [the Christian writings] and stores them away, and the rest burns."
One of his characteristic sayings is, "He who proclaimed the coming of the Messiah, and he who hated scholars and their disciples; and that false prophet and those slanderers, will have no part in the future world."

According to Bacher this was directed against the Hebrew Christians. And so it is an established fact then, that the disciples of Christ did in fact write the Holy Name of God into the New Testament.

 

[ZahavaP]

Here is a little history for you:
After killing Christians, the Jews would take the New testament scripture written in Hebrew, and carefully cut the name of God out. Then they would place the divine name in a safe place to keep. Following that, they then would burn the remainder of the scrolls in a fire.
Rabbi Yose who lived during the second century AD states that, "One cuts out the reference to the Divine Name which are in them [the Christian writings] and stores them away, and the rest burns."
One of his characteristic sayings is, "He who proclaimed the coming of the Messiah, and he who hated scholars and their disciples; and that false prophet and those slanderers, will have no part in the future world."

According to Bacher this was directed against the Hebrew Christians. And so it is an established fact then, that the disciples of Christ did in fact write the Holy Name of God into the New Testament.

Oh come on now, Jews killing christians? I believe you have your history notes mixed up. It was the christians that killed the Jews throughout history. Spanish Inquisition, pogroms, blood libels, etc. etc. Again, if you have a source please provide the link. Mere words do not win an argument.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Oh come on now, Jews killing christians? I believe you have your history notes mixed up. It was the christians that killed the Jews throughout history. Spanish Inquisition, pogroms, blood libels, etc. etc. Again, if you have a source please provide the link. Mere words do not win an argument.

I am speaking of the time between 40 AD and 140 AD in Israel. I am not a Pagan Christian. I am what has been called a Judaizing Christian. True Christianity is a sect or branch of Judaism.