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I'd like to thank fundamentalists for the word 'fornication' too...most of us just have sex, but fornication makes it sound so much more exciting.
Ooh yes, I might consider starting to text my boyfriend with offers of fornication tonight rather than plain old sex
It is usually a term used incorrectly by Christians to imply those who have consensual anal or oral sex. Since heterosexuals can and some do have this kind of sex, the Christians must further distort it by claiming that it is specifically male/male anal sex (and since their men think girl-on-girl is hot, and they can't have anal sex, they look the other way, and continue hiding their Hustler under the bed.)
Nowhere in the bible does it say that the reason that God destroyed S&G was because of gay sex. They weren't asking the visitors if they could come out and get their freak on. They were banging on the door. It wasn't a choice. They were going to gang-rape them.
Can such people, who need to spend most of their life serving the Lord by pointing to others and saying, "Thank you Lord, that I'm not like THAT!", unable to tell the difference between rape and consensual sex?
If a woman is raped, do they shrug, and say, "Well, at least it was heterosexual? Or do they realize that the violation is more about the soul than the body? It's a violation to one's core, even when it is heterosexual sex.
Lot offers his daughters. A) That's REALLY disturbing. B) If he believed that the men had a homosexual orientation, a concept only understood within the last 50 years, he wouldn't have offered his daughters to be brutally gangraped by a bunch of gay dudes.
Rather, he was trying to offer his daughters to be raped (Father of the Year award) to that they would be satisfied with them instead of the visitors (angels.) If the gender mattered, he wouldn't even have suggested it. He would have offered himself. He didn't. He offered his daughters - females.
As was pointed out, the bible talks about what the sins of Sodom are. Anyone who really loves God, really wants to know what he says, will read it, and understand that a Sodomite was guilty of a lot of things - arrogance, cruelty to others, having plenty and ignoring the poor, the young, and the elderly, being hostile to visitors, being sexually immoral (again, I thought the attempted rape made that obvious). They weren't living in peace. They were looking for victims.
However, if one's point is to simply exhalt oneself, to claim that God destroyed Sodom solely for gay sex, and implying that it was consensual gay sex, which is says nowhere in the bible, it is clear that the person saying such cares more about what they say than what the Bible says. They have to ignore Ezekial. They have to ignore that it was rape, and gang rape at that. They have to ignore that Lot would have no understanding of what "gay" meant, because it was thousands of years prior to the understanding.
And then, you will claim that the bible says exactly what you believe. You can stand proudly in condemnation, ignoring the mercy, understanding, and compassion given to you by God, which you refuse to extend to others. The bible talks about that, too, and it doesn't turn well.
When people start threads like this, claim all of this true, only to easily be proven to be trying to disguise their lack of love as God's hatred, I can't only pray for mercy on their soul when they have to answer to God why they would so grossly misrepresent Him, claiming their hatred was God's hatred, while also claiming to serve him. They have no idea how many gay people they turn away from God, portraying God to be equal in their lack of mercy, lack of honesty, lack of truthful concern, lack of kindness, lack of humility, and then pat themselves on the back, thinking that they are God's favorite.
If you are responsible for turning people away from God because you portray him to be the darkness of your own heart, rather than the mercy, hope, love, compassion, and light that he has shown you, what do you think his response is going to be?
It doesn't make one a Child of God! It makes one a Child of Satan! The fact that the worshipper can't even recognize the difference between their own arrogance and that of God, whose claims, beliefs, actions are in clear violation of that of Christ, is one's first clue. It is the antithesis of what Christ taught - the anti-christ.
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ said:The Parable of the Two Sons
28"What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, 'Son, go and work today in the vineyard.'
29" 'I will not,' he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.
30"Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, 'I will, sir,' but he did not go.
31"Which of the two did what his father wanted?"
"The first," they answered. (Matthew 21:28-31, NIV)
sodomite= a person of sodom.Liberal or conservative, promiscuous or devoted, what is your definition of "Sodomite," as it refers to behavior?
As for the fact that the writer no longer considers himself a Christian, well, God hasn't finished with him yet. And Jesus had this to say about him and people like him:
"Sodomite", as far as I can tell, is a word - used mainly by religious persons - as a universal signifier for all things sexual that the persons speaking disapprove of.Liberal or conservative, promiscuous or devoted, what is your definition of "Sodomite," as it refers to behavior?
...scientific almost.I'd like to thank fundamentalists for the word 'fornication' too...most of us just have sex, but fornication makes it sound so much more exciting.
My personal working definition varies somewhat from the common or dictionary definition cited above. I consider "sodomite" behavior to be extreme, violent hostility towards outsiders. See Genesis 19 for details.
It is?!? Huh, when did that happen?
Right, so that's why the word sodomite only came to exist in the 11th century, right after God blew up Sodom.^^^^ Denial
Sodomy is unnatural intercourse(anything outside hetero for the intent on procreation). So pretty much any sexual act that is not intended and closed to the openess to procreation could b termed as sodomy.
Sodomites mostly are gay men, lesbians or bisexuals. It comes from the words "Sodom" from the city Sodom and Gommorah where God rained down fire and brimstone on the Sodomites and other sinners. Since sexual immorality was so common in Sodom that "Sodomite" came to be known as a term for someone who practices sexual immorality. Even many of the old jewish scholars like Josepheus and writers of the Midrash knew about Sodoms sexual immorality without even having to read the bible.
Actually, the Bible does state that the sins of Sodom included sexual immorality, going after strange flesh, and all that. The problem, of course, is that it never explains just what sexual practices were deemed immoral, nor what flesh was strange.Right, so that's why the word sodomite only came to exist in the 11th century, right after God blew up Sodom.
And why the Bible cites the sins of Sodom as being pride and inhospitality, rather than anything sexual.
That has always sounded like a lie to me, like some claiming they don't hate Jews, just Jewishness. In other words, I'd love to see you do one without the other.Is it not the duty of a Christian to love the sinner and hate the sin? I am quite conservative in this particular issue.
That has always sounded like a lie to me, like some claiming they don't hate Jews, just Jewishness. In other words, I'd love to see you do one without the other.
That has always sounded like a lie to me, like some claiming they don't hate Jews, just Jewishness. In other words, I'd love to see you do one without the other.
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