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What's wrong with Prostitution?

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I have no moral opinion on prostitution one way or another, but I do think it is harmful to society and to women especially.

It is a matter of personal choice, as are all things.

I don't think that it should be condoned anywhere. As far as legality is concerned, I'm not big on outlawing things though.

I do think that the fact that prostitution is illegal in the U.S. it has caused even more severe problems than if it were made legal and regulated. The problems stemming from pimping, prostitution, drug abuse, STDs, theft, and violence are all connected. If it was legalized, many of those problems could be mitigated. Of course, the same could be said about the legalization of narcotics...and we all know that would not be a good thing.

I also don't like prostitution because it empowers women to an extent. For tens of thousands of years, if a man wanted to fornicate with a woman, he would just force her to. It wasn't necessarily rape, it was just how humans (animals) procured mates. It wasn't until the advent of civilization that the notion of "rape" became widespread, and frowned upon. So men had to either court their females or pay to have sex with them. When this happened, women gained a small bit of power over men...but that was not how it was meant to be--how nature intended it.

Think about how messed up the concept of prostitution is...especially from a male perspective. Men have to go to work all day in order to make money. Then, they have to give away their hard earned money just to have sex. Women (prostitutes) on the other hand, don't have to work at all. All they have to do is have sex...and they actually get paid for it!!! There is just something inhernetly unfair about that. I don't know why men would ever condone it. The only reason women would condone it is because it gives them numerous benefits at the expense of men...so of course they would support it. It's a very strange deal IMHO.
 
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Many women resort to prostitution to pay for their drug habit. They are slaves to addiction and there are few avenues out. Prostitutes are under the control of "pimps" who provide drugs in return for the money earned.

Many prostitutes were sexually abused when they were young. Often they live on the streets to escape an abusive situation, only to become the victims of drugs and organized crime. Prostitutes are also routinely beaten by their pimps and customers. Prostitution is the ugly tip of the system that profits from it.
 
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Hi Macky,

1) If a married man goes to a prostitute for satisfying his sexual desires, both are committing an act of immorality by going against Gods directive of 'thou shalt not commit adultery'

2) Ultimately, yes.

3) I can't speak for other places, but it has recently become illegal where I live. There are now three legal brothels in my town although I am somewhat concerned about putting them in residential areas (would anyone want one next door to a church or a kindergarten/primary school??)

4) There is a site that you might like to check out at: http://www.sexwork.com which deals with Christians and prostitution, including those who are working in that profession.


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Macky said:
Hi....

If a woman decides that she can make x-amount of money by having sex with a no. of men then why is that wrong?

Do you think it's immoral?

Do you think it's a matter of personal choice?

Should it be made legal in more places?

What are your opinions on the oldest profession in history?

Thanks for your time..

Nothing, I think that and playing Russian Roulette with unknowing participants should be legal. (/sarcasm)
 
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Macky said:
Hi....

If a woman decides that she can make x-amount of money by having sex with a no. of men then why is that wrong?

I don't think that it is.

Do you think it's immoral?

No.

Do you think it's a matter of personal choice?

Yes.

Should it be made legal in more places?

Yes. This would make a much safer and easier to regulate, like it is in Nevada.

What are your opinions on the oldest profession in history?

I'm not really sure I have any.
 
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Macky said:
Hi....

If a woman decides that she can make x-amount of money by having sex with a no. of men then why is that wrong?

Do you think it's immoral?

Do you think it's a matter of personal choice?

Should it be made legal in more places?

What are your opinions on the oldest profession in history?

Thanks for your time..

I don't think prostitution is immoral per se.
What concerns me is the amount of women who engage in it because they were abused as children, have been coerced and don't truly know they are capable of supporting themselves in other ways.
It involves personal choice for some women, but not all.
It should be legal as a matter of public health.
One thing I will say is that heterosexual prostitution is the most honest relationship between men and women. Both parties know what they are giving and what they are getting...
 
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Macky said:
Hi....

If a woman decides that she can make x-amount of money by having sex with a no. of men then why is that wrong?
There are a lot of answers that I think fit here... the first and most obvious being "because God says it is wrong". Perhaps others would include:
  • "It can increase the spread of communicable diseases."
  • "It allows for situations that damage and destroy familes."
  • "I just think it is icky."
The reason doesn't have to be logical or reasonable, but there are many reasons why people (like myself) would say it is wrong.

Macky said:
Do you think it's immoral?
Yes.

Macky said:
Do you think it's a matter of personal choice?
Techincally, yes. Everything is a matter of personal choice and consequence.
  • Do I leave work early and loose a few hours on my paycheck (or worse, get fired) or do I stick it out until closing time?
  • Do I sit down at home with a six pack of Busch light and a movie or drive to a bar, spend three times as much money on that same six pack, and then drive home risking the lives of myself and others?
  • Do I go downtown, get me a hooker and do our thang and be out some money or do I go home to my wife and play nicey-nice with her instead?
You make "personal choice" sound like it is some ethical concept, when all it really is is a series of events in a chain of events that makes up one's memories and future all at the same time.

Macky said:
Should it be made legal in more places?
I think it should be illegal in all places. That dosen't mean people won't do it. If it is legal, it should be taxed like any other item that falls under the "sin" taxes, like cigarettes, beer, etc.

Macky said:
What are your opinions on the oldest profession in history?
I'd like to know why people say that, no one has ever been able to verify to me in any meanful way that prostitution is the oldest profession in history. Somehow, I'd expect the oldest profession to be something like cleric, historian, or storyteller...
 
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maha said:
II also don't like prostitution because it empowers women to an extent. For tens of thousands of years, if a man wanted to fornicate with a woman, he would just force her to. It wasn't necessarily rape, it was just how humans (animals) procured mates. It wasn't until the advent of civilization that the notion of "rape" became widespread, and frowned upon. So men had to either court their females or pay to have sex with them. When this happened, women gained a small bit of power over men...but that was not how it was meant to be--how nature intended it.

Think about how messed up the concept of prostitution is...especially from a male perspective. Men have to go to work all day in order to make money. Then, they have to give away their hard earned money just to have sex. Women (prostitutes) on the other hand, don't have to work at all. All they have to do is have sex...and they actually get paid for it!!! There is just something inhernetly unfair about that. I don't know why men would ever condone it. The only reason women would condone it is because it gives them numerous benefits at the expense of men...so of course they would support it. It's a very strange deal IMHO.

Actually, you are misinformed. Rape was initially a property crime against a woman's father or husband. A husband who forced himself on his wife committed no crime. Rape was considered a crime because a woman always belonged to some man and he wanted to protect his property from other men.

But from your perspective, should I assume that you wish slavery was still legal? That women should simply belong to the strongest man who could throw her over his shoulder? Have you actually ever studied animal husbandry? Not all animals just go pounce on potential mates. Males often have to compete with other males for the attention of a female...

Lastly - do you imagine that prostitution is great fun for all the women involved? You say that men have to work all day, but the women just get to have sex... Prostitutes are actresses, no matter what comes through their door they have to be attentive and give that man what he wants. She isn't there for fun - she has to make that man feel like he's the best she has ever had, no matter how awful he is, how repugnant she finds him or how out there he is... It isn't a job I'd want and I don't think it is fun...
 
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What's right about it, even temporally?

It's a public health fiasco.

It's degrading to women -- even women who do it out of "free choice" for the money (and one wonders how many who do so are really free). Women, people, are not commodities.

It corrupts intimacy. Intercourse has a purpose related to bonding and intimacy. Reduce it to a commercial, physical transaction, and the capacity for it to serve that purpose is damaged or destroyed.

There's more, but my main point is that there should be a good reason for doing something, and none is evident here.

Blessings,

Gerry
 
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Seeking... said:
Prostitutes are actresses, no matter what comes through their door they have to be attentive and give that man what he wants. She isn't there for fun - she has to make that man feel like he's the best she has ever had, no matter how awful he is, how repugnant she finds him or how out there he is... It isn't a job I'd want and I don't think it is fun...
I definetly have to agree with you here, I don't see how any prostitute can truely enjoy her work. I honestly figure she wouldnt' find attractive guys to get with because most of attractive ones are going to be able to find sex without paying for it.
 
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Macky said:
If a woman decides that she can make x-amount of money by having sex with a no. of men then why is that wrong?
No. She's providing a service for pay, same as any other professional.

Macky said:
Do you think it's immoral?
No.

Macky said:
Do you think it's a matter of personal choice?
Of course.

Macky said:
Should it be made legal in more places?
It should be legal everywhere. Illegalising private acts between consenting adults does society no favours.

Macky said:
What are your opinions on the oldest profession in history?
It harms no-one and helps some. Good luck to 'em.
 
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ChristianCenturion said:
Nothing, I think that and playing Russian Roulette with unknowing participants should be legal. (/sarcasm)

Hey hey. Who is unknowing here? Is the prostitute unaware she is having sex with a strange man? If so, wouldn't the word be "rape," not "prostitution?" Or is her client unaware that he is paying for sex with a strange woman? If so, wouldn't the word be "theft" or "swindling" rather than "prostitution?"

I'm not entirely sure you know what the word "prostitution" means.
 
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seeking wrote:
Actually, you are misinformed. Rape was initially a property crime against a woman's father or husband. A husband who forced himself on his wife committed no crime. Rape was considered a crime because a woman always belonged to some man and he wanted to protect his property from other men.

Okay, I know that. Also, rape was interpreted differently among different cultures over the ages. I was mainly talking about a random man forcing himself on a random woman--not a husband on his own wife.

But from your perspective, should I assume that you wish slavery was still legal? That women should simply belong to the strongest man who could throw her over his shoulder? Have you actually ever studied animal husbandry? Not all animals just go pounce on potential mates. Males often have to compete with other males for the attention of a female...

No, slavery shouldn't be legalized...just like in my example, drugs shouldn't be legalized. A woman should still have her civil and human rights, but the element of "charging" for sex changes how humans interact and fornicate. It is this deviation that I think has separated us from the way things used to be...in nature that is. Courtship is applicable and is a good alternative to outright forced sex, but the abstraction of paying for sex renders all of that irrelevant. Why take a girl out on five dates and spend a few hundred dollars just to get her comfortable enough to have sex with you three weeks down the road if you can just pay her fifty bucks right then and there to have intercourse instead? See what I mean? Courtship becomes irrelevant if sex is all you want.

Lastly - do you imagine that prostitution is great fun for all the women involved?

No, I think it is probably pretty demeaning, gross, and disgusting, in all honesty. But so is working in a fast-food joint. So is being a janitor. So is being a garbage man. Yet men slave away at those horrible jobs just to have money to pay to prostitutes for sex. If being a hooker was so terrible, why wouldn't they just go work at McDonald's instead? Well, I already know why. It's a lifestyle. And even if fast-food paid more and gave them more security, they would still be prostitutes because of the emotional shackles which bind them to that profession. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that prostitution is good, not by any means.
 
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maha said:
I also don't like prostitution because it empowers women to an extent. For tens of thousands of years, if a man wanted to fornicate with a woman, he would just force her to. It wasn't necessarily rape, it was just how humans (animals) procured mates. It wasn't until the advent of civilization that the notion of "rape" became widespread, and frowned upon. So men had to either court their females or pay to have sex with them. When this happened, women gained a small bit of power over men...but that was not how it was meant to be--how nature intended it.
Hey pal, take a look around you. You'll see walls, windows, electronic devices, items made of metal and plastic. If you take a look beyond that, you'll see houses and businesses and families with children. You'll see dogs on leashes. And yes, you'll see men courting women and, in so doing, obtaining their consent to have sex.

That is the way nature intended it.

Why? Because it happened.

So don't give me this mumbo jumbo about "what nature intended." Everything on earth is natural, from trees to 2-liter Coke bottles. You might get away with arguing about what God intended, because at least then you've got holy books to back up your arguments. But for crying out loud, leave nature out of it.
 
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maha said:
Okay, I know that. Also, rape was interpreted differently among different cultures over the ages. I was mainly talking about a random man forcing himself on a random woman--not a husband on his own wife.



maha said:
No, slavery shouldn't be legalized...just like in my example, drugs shouldn't be legalized. A woman should still have her civil and human rights, but the element of "charging" for sex changes how humans interact and fornicate. It is this deviation that I think has separated us from the way things used to be...in nature that is. Courtship is applicable and is a good alternative to outright forced sex, but the abstraction of paying for sex renders all of that irrelevant. Why take a girl out on five dates and spend a few hundred dollars just to get her comfortable enough to have sex with you three weeks down the road if you can just pay her fifty bucks right then and there to have intercourse instead? See what I mean? Courtship becomes irrelevant if sex is all you want.
So what is a person to do if sex is all he wants? Should he court her, make her fall in love by feigning interest in a relationship, get what he wants from her, and then leave her heartbroken? Or should he just skip the formalities and rape her? I don't quite understand where you're going with this.
No, I think it is probably pretty demeaning, gross, and disgusting, in all honesty. But so is working in a fast-food joint. So is being a janitor. So is being a garbage man. Yet men slave away at those horrible jobs just to have money to pay to prostitutes for sex.
You forget that nobody is forcing these men to pay prostitutes. They could save their money and rent a few good movies instead. It's less risky that way.
If being a hooker was so terrible, why wouldn't they just go work at McDonald's instead?
Because being a hooker pays more. A LOT more.
Well, I already know why. It's a lifestyle. And even if fast-food paid more and gave them more security, they would still be prostitutes because of the emotional shackles which bind them to that profession.
Are you kidding? If prostitutes were offered jobs that were better paying and more secure, they'd leave the profession in droves. For many, prostitution is simply either a last resort, or a way of making lots of money fast.
 
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you'll see men courting women and, in so doing, obtaining their consent to have sex.

That is the way nature intended it.

It's a way that nature intended it, not the way. Once civilized man declared rape illegal, we abandoned a way of copulating that had worked for our species for tens of thousands of years.

So don't give me this mumbo jumbo about "what nature intended." Everything on earth is natural, from trees to 2-liter Coke bottles.

This I agree with. Everything is indeed natural. I was refering pre-civilized behaviors when I said "what nature intended."

So what is a person to do if sex is all he wants? Should he court her, make her fall in love by feigning interest in a relationship, get what he wants from her, and then leave her heartbroken? Or should he just skip the formalities and rape her? I don't quite understand where you're going with this.

All men want is sex. It's just that having a relationship secures one's ability to do it multiple times in the future. If you want to have sex, there are alternatives to rape, prostitution, and faking long-term interest in a relationship...i.e. one night stands.

Because being a hooker pays more. A LOT more.

This is arguable. Most hookers give all their money to their pimps. I've watched documentaries about prostitutes and they sometimes charge only five or ten bucks for a sexual act. Not very lucrative if you ask me. Plus, if they are doing so well financially, then why wouldn't they save all of their money and try to pursue a different profession, or better yet, retire. It's because they really don't make much at all. Unless you work for Hiedi Fliess or something. But then again, she took fifty percent right off the top.

Are you kidding? If prostitutes were offered jobs that were better paying and more secure, they'd leave the profession in droves. For many, prostitution is simply either a last resort, or a way of making lots of money fast.

Once you enter the realm of prostitution, it is hard to leave. The fast money becomes irresistible. It is a last resort for some, but for many, they only perceive it as a last resort. To me, I'd rather resort to scraping through dumpsters for tin cans as opposed to letting some creepy redneck with a big ol' hairy beer belly have sex with me. So the "last resort" issue is relative. Also, people don't just offer you jobs. In the real world, you have to go out and look for them. If you are lazy, prostitution may appear to be the only avenue to procure income, but it's actually not. And everyone knows it.
 
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I gotta go with George Carlin on this one:

"I do not understand why prostitution is illegal. Why should prostitution be illegal. Selling is legal. [Sex] is legal. Why isn't selling [sex] legal? You know, why should it be illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away. I can't follow the logic on that at all. Of all the things you can do to a person, giving someone an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] is hardly the worst thing in the world. In the army they give you a medal for spraying napalm on people. Civilian life, you go to jail for giving someone an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. Maybe I'm not supposed to understand it."
 
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The main problem with prostitution is that a fair percentage of women involved in it become addicted to the money involved. In other words, like the rest of us their spending expands with to fit their income. Going down in income is a very difficult thing to do, particulary when the drop is significant. As such, they become trapped in the lifestyle.

I have known a number of prostitutes and strippers and very few of them plan for their future in any meaningful way. While some start the job to pay their way through university, when it comes down to it they will not be able to get a better paying job very easily even once they complete their degree.

I do not have a moral problem with prostitution. I am just concerned that it can easily become a trap for those young women who do not plan ahead too well.
 
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