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"What's Wrong with Masturbation"
By Steve Gallagher

Some of the leading Christian psychologists in the nation have said that masturbation is a normal function and unless carried on into marriage, usually proves to be harmless. I believe the reason they have said this is to alleviate some of the guilt and condemnation associated with it. But you cannot condone something because it makes people feel guilty. God gave us guilt feelings for much the same reason He gave us the sense of pain: it lets us know when we are doing something wrong that is going to hurt us.
You also cannot condone masturbation because everybody does it. We are sinners by nature and it is natural for us to sin. But just because masturbation is normal for fallen man, that does not make it acceptable in the eyes of a holy God.
Although masturbation isn't specifically addressed in Scripture, the Bible gives us principles for leading a pure and holy life that clearly point to the wrongness of it.

Proper Sex
The first and most obvious reason that masturbation is wrong is because it goes against God's purpose for sex. Although our society has perverted sex to the extent that it has become a self-centered act, God created it to be a function of marriage. There is no room for sex outside of marriage.
Worldly minded teachers tell us though, that we have pent-up desires that must be "relieved." They say that God created us to need sex and wouldn't expect us to go without it. What they don't realize is that sex is a desire that God gave us; not a need. People who have learned to walk in the Spirit, have been overcoming these desires for thousands of years.
Also, Paul gave the answer to this problem when he said "if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion." It is clear by his words here that Scripture gives only two alternatives to this problem. The person must either exercise self control or they must marry. God doesn't allow sin as a third alternative.

Feeding the Flesh
Another reason we know that masturbation is wrong is because it is another form of self-gratification. Throughout Scripture self-gratification is denounced. Over and over again we are told how important it is that we don't allow the flesh to dominate our thinking or our actions. The following verses are but two that deal with this:
For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so; and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. Romans 8:6-8
But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please...
Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry... (Galatians 5:16-20)

Lustful Fantasy
It is virtually impossible to touch without fantasizing. What would a person think about who is trying to achieve [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] if not sex with some person? Not meaning to be flippant -- but could you imagine thinking about fixing the refrigerator while masturbating? Of course not! People who touch must lust over another person to be able to achieve an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. Jesus said, "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Doorway to Other Sin
One of the consequences to a habit of masturbation is that it opens the door for the enemy to lead the person deeper into sin. Sin is never satisfied; it always demands more and more of the person. As God told Cain, "sin is crouching at the door, and its desire is for you, but you must master it."
The habit of masturbation sets in motion a mentality of giving in to the demands of the flesh that is often carried on into other sins. The person literally gets "in the habit" of caving in to every carnal temptation and desire. As the person fills his mind with fantasies of having sex with other people, he is deepening the carnal thought that the worth of women is to be found in their sexuality. This thinking process leads the person deeper and deeper into sin.

Being Controlled By Sin
Another biblical reason why masturbation is wrong is the way that it masters people. It is a habit that controls people. Christians should not be controlled by anything, except a love for Christ. Paul said that we should not be mastered by anything. Masturbation is a dominating habit that tends to control the person.
But more than just that, it is also a matter of aligning ourselves with the sinful domain of the enemy. Paul spoke of the choice we have about who we will serve:
Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body that you should obey its lusts, and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; ...Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness? (Romans 6:12-13; 16)

Masturbation is nothing short of lust-filled self-gratification. It is the epitome of self-centeredness and is wrong for the Christian. If you are struggling with a habit of masturbation, please understand that even though it is wrong, that doesn't mean that God doesn't love you or won't help you change.
Those feeling intense condemnation should know that the Lord never condemns those He loves. Satan is the accuser of the brethren and the one who tries to make people feel condemned. Those who have done things like cutting off their hands or other body parts can attest to the harshness of Satan's condemnation.
The Holy Spirit, on the other hand, is always a "Gentleman." He quietly and lovingly convicts us of our sin and nudges us toward heart-felt repentance.
The Adolescent
When a parent finds out that his child or teenager has become involved with masturbation, he should be careful as to how to deal with it.
Most children have a natural curiosity about their own sexuality. Exploring oneself is a normal part of growing up. The best thing a parent can do about this is to patiently watch to see if it develops into a real problem. If it is just curiosity, it should run it course before long.
If a young person seems to be developing a habit of masturbation, it would be best to have a talk with them about it. It's important that you don't condemn them for their behavior. This is actually a great opportunity to show him your friendship. Have a friend to friend talk with him about it. Address it in as non-threatening manner as possible. After your talk, spend time in prayer together -- seeking God for His strength and help to overcome this habit. You can't expect a child to react to a problem with sin in the same way as a mature Christian adult.
An important thing to note at this point also is that you teach your children values in life through your own life. If your life revolves around pleasure-seeking activities -- even if they have nothing to do with sex -- your child is going to learn that this is what life is all about.
On the other hand, if your life revolves around the things of God, your child is going to see spiritual things as the important things to pursue in life. The best thing you can do to prepare your children for a godly life in a wicked world is to live a godly lifestyle yourself.
 
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"What's Wrong with Masturbation"
By Steve Gallagher

Some of the leading Christian psychologists in the nation have said that masturbation is a normal function and unless carried on into marriage, usually proves to be harmless. I believe the reason they have said this is to alleviate some of the guilt and condemnation associated with it. But you cannot condone something because it makes people feel guilty. 1. God gave us guilt feelings for much the same reason He gave us the sense of pain: it lets us know when we are doing something wrong that is going to hurt us.
You also cannot condone masturbation because everybody does it. We are sinners by nature and it is natural for us to sin. But just because masturbation is normal for fallen man, that does not make it acceptable in the eyes of a holy God.
2. Although masturbation isn't specifically addressed in Scripture, the Bible gives us principles for leading a pure and holy life that clearly point to the wrongness of it.

Proper Sex
3. The first and most obvious reason that masturbation is wrong is because it goes against God's purpose for sex. Although our society has perverted sex to the extent that it has become a self-centered act, God created it to be a function of marriage. There is no room for sex outside of marriage.
Worldly minded teachers tell us though, that we have pent-up desires that must be "relieved." They say that God created us to need sex and wouldn't expect us to go without it. What they don't realize is that sex is a desire that God gave us; not a need. People who have learned to walk in the Spirit, have been overcoming these desires for thousands of years.
Also, Paul gave the answer to this problem when he said 4. "if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion." It is clear by his words here that Scripture gives only two alternatives to this problem. The person must either exercise self control or they must marry. God doesn't allow sin as a third alternative.

Feeding the Flesh
5. Another reason we know that masturbation is wrong is because it is another form of self-gratification. Throughout Scripture self-gratification is denounced. Over and over again we are told how important it is that we don't allow the flesh to dominate our thinking or our actions. The following verses are but two that deal with this:
6. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so; and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. Romans 8:6-8
But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please...
Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry... (Galatians 5:16-20)

Lustful Fantasy
It is virtually impossible to touch without fantasizing. What would a person think about who is trying to achieve [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] if not sex with some person? Not meaning to be flippant -- but could you imagine thinking about fixing the refrigerator while masturbating? Of course not! 7. People who touch must lust over another person to be able to achieve an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. Jesus said, "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Doorway to Other Sin
8. One of the consequences to a habit of masturbation is that it opens the door for the enemy to lead the person deeper into sin. Sin is never satisfied; it always demands more and more of the person. As God told Cain, "sin is crouching at the door, and its desire is for you, but you must master it."
9. The habit of masturbation sets in motion a mentality of giving in to the demands of the flesh that is often carried on into other sins. The person literally gets "in the habit" of caving in to every carnal temptation and desire. 10. As the person fills his mind with fantasies of having sex with other people, he is deepening the carnal thought that the worth of women is to be found in their sexuality. This thinking process leads the person deeper and deeper into sin.

Being Controlled By Sin
11. Another biblical reason why masturbation is wrong is the way that it masters people. It is a habit that controls people. Christians should not be controlled by anything, except a love for Christ. Paul said that we should not be mastered by anything. Masturbation is a dominating habit that tends to control the person.
But more than just that, it is also a matter of aligning ourselves with the sinful domain of the enemy. Paul spoke of the choice we have about who we will serve:
Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body that you should obey its lusts, and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; ...Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness? (Romans 6:12-13; 16)

Masturbation is nothing short of lust-filled self-gratification. 12. It is the epitome of self-centeredness and is wrong for the Christian.
1. Actually, guilt is not from God, but rather social conditioning. The Devil uses guilt to manipulate Christians. Conviction is the only true guide to understand sin, yet a non-Christian (who has no conviction) can feel guilt for masturbation based on social conditioning.

2. I will address this, as any harmless thing can be thought of as wrong if you search the Bible to find verses that "somehow" connect to it, though, the Bible says nothing of it.

3. Let's not act as if masturbation is sex. When one has a wet dream, are they engaging in sex? Masturbation is a sexual activity, but it's not addressed in the Bible.

4. This was clearly addressing fornication, not masturbation.

5. There's nothing wrong with self-gratification. It is the addictions that are wrong. When you eat you're gratifying you're flesh, when you get a massage you're gratifying your flesh, yet none of these are considered sins.

6. This addresses the soul. Your soul receives information from the flesh and the spirit. The closer you are to God, the more capable you are of hearing him and understanding the things of the spiritual world. This isn't about fleshly acts, as eating, sex, taking a bath, etc. are all acts of the flesh, yet they're not condemned in the Bible.

7. Why does one have to imagine a real life person? Cannot he/she conjure up an imaginary figure? Also, it is not difficult to touch without any lustful thoughts at all. It's mechanic.

8. Having sex with your spouse could also lead you to this. Are you a proponent of sexless marriages?

9. Not for me. I find myself pondering on the flesh the longer I wait for masturbating. I find myself more capable of focusing on other matters. Not everyone is the same. You're describing your experience.

10. Again, why does one have to imagine real people? And no, masturbation in no way lends me to thoughts of women being sexual objects. I'm actually a person that very rarely is even tempted to lust, yet I touch quite often. Also consider that your sexuality is an extension of who you are.

11. This could apply to eating, sex and any other harmless act. Are you of the opinion that habitual eating is wrong? Or do you believe a married couple that engages in habitual sex is in the wrong?

12. Not at all, it's simply a form of self-gratification, in the same as eating, having sex, taking a bath, etc. I'm one of the more charitable persons you'll ever meet, and sacrifice myself for the well-being of others. So, this doesn't apply at all.
 
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Any form of sex outside of marriage whether through pornography, fantasies or physical acts devalues the human being involved and idolizes the act.

Sex must be earned by making a commitment (a marital commitment) to someone. You earn the right to have and enjoy it when you make that commitment to them and they earn the right to have and enjoy it with you when they make the commitment to you. It's not something you give them its something they earn. It's not something they give you its something you earn.

self-gratification is very much like idolizing the act of sex. I don't think it's possible to do it without idolizing sex.
 
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1. Any form of sex outside of marriage whether through pornography, fantasies or physical acts devalues the human being involved and idolizes the act.

2. Sex must be earned by making a commitment (a marital commitment) to someone. You earn the right to have and enjoy it when you make that commitment to them and they earn the right to have and enjoy it with you when they make the commitment to you. It's not something you give them its something they earn. It's not something they give you its something you earn.

3. self-gratification is very much like idolizing the act of sex. I don't think it's possible to do it without idolizing sex.

1. Masturbation without fantasy. How about that? And what if the person being imagined is not real? Also, saying that masturbation idolizes the act is absurd. Does sex in a married relationship not have the same affect (if not stronger) than masturbation? Do you call that idolization? Do you even know what idolization is?

2. Absolutely, but we're not talking about sex, but masturbation. There's a difference. Since what you're saying in regards to masturbation is not Biblical, it's totally subjective and involves interpreting of the Word of God for the purpose of meeting personal beliefs that were not settled by the Word of God.

3. Again, you don't seem to understand what idolatry is. How does masturbation indicate a person idolizes sex? That is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard.

What's sad is that all the reasons given can apply to anything done in the world, yet you choose to isolate certain acts you deem wrong without considering that anything can be idolized, yet married couples can have sex very often without idolizing the act.
 
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1. Masturbation without fantasy. How about that? And what if the person being imagined is not real? Also, saying that masturbation idolizes the act is absurd. Does sex in a married relationship not have the same affect (if not stronger) than masturbation? Do you call that idolization? Do you even know what idolization is?

2. Absolutely, but we're not talking about sex, but masturbation. There's a difference. Since what you're saying in regards to masturbation is not Biblical, it's totally subjective and involves interpreting of the Word of God for the purpose of meeting personal beliefs that were not settled by the Word of God.

3. Again, you don't seem to understand what idolatry is. How does masturbation indicate a person idolizes sex? That is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard.

What's sad is that all the reasons given can apply to anything done in the world, yet you choose to isolate certain acts you deem wrong without considering that anything can be idolized, yet married couples can have sex very often without idolizing the act.

1. Marriage is a different thing. Sex and its forms are part of the gifts in marriage.
Idolatry could be anything that divert's one attention and/or devotion to God.

2. Masturbation is self-sex.

3. It is idolatry in the sense that a person turns to it for pleasure or temporal satisfaction instead of turning to God as the Living Water Who satisfies our thirsts. And a person who masturbates keeps coming back to it or doing it so it's serving the flesh.

Eating is a biological need that if we don't eat we will die. And after you touch can you thank God for masturbation or not?

Again, sex and its forms are gifts for married people and it's a commandment within marriage (1 Corinthians 7 ), whereas masturbation is not. Paul could have said that for singles you can touch or have self- sex instead. But no, he even said that it's better to marry than to burn in passion.
 
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I just got this from http://www.settingcaptivesfree.com

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"Some Christians believe that, because masturbation is not specifically mentioned in the Bible, God does not consider the presence or the absence of the activity important. But is this really accurate? Is God truly silent about masturbation? Is the absence of the word "masturbation" in Scripture God's way of giving His approval to men and women gratifying their flesh? Remember, the word "pornography" itself is not in the Bible (although the root word is), but there are biblical principles dealing with both pornography and masturbation. Neither is the word "smoking" in the Bible, nor are many specific words dealing with specific sins of the flesh. Yet we should not require the naming of every specific detail associated with every specific sin in order to recognize that we need to avoid them.
Although it is true that the Bible does not use the word "masturbation," Scripture has not left us in the dark about whether it is right or wrong. Masturbation is not a "gift of God" for single people and it is not a "preventative for sexual crimes." It is indulging the flesh, which leads to sin-slavery. Jesus' statement "everyone who sins is a slave to sin" (John 8:34) applies to any area of self-gratification.
Masturbation makes us begin to live according to the dictates of the flesh and to become slaves to the "misdeeds of the body." Scripture warns us about this kind of activity, "For if you live according to the flesh (by giving in to its desires), you will die" and tells us how to stop, "but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live" (Romans 8:13). In reality, masturbation is an expression of self-gratification and of sexual self-idolatry. It is deceiving and enslaving. Let us see these truths from Scripture:
"Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer them in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness. When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness." Romans 6:19-20
This verse teaches that offering leads to slavery. When we "offer the parts of our body" to sin, we become a slave to sin. Some say that masturbation "relieves the pressure" so that we can function normally apart from a spouse, or to keep us from committing worse sexual acts. Masturbation only "relieves the pressure" temporarily. The pressure will soon be back and masturbation will need to occur again, and again, and again. This is simply slavery to the flesh. But if we offer the parts of our body for righteousness, we will become slaves of righteousness. So, present your body a living sacrifice; offer the parts of your body to God and your slavery to Christ will produce freedom from self-gratification.
Another argument that some make in favor of masturbation is to say that it is much like eating food: if we indulge ourselves, we can become slaves, but what we need to do is learn to control our appetite, not stop eating. So, in the same way, we need to control masturbation and not become a slave to it, but it is not sin to touch anymore than it is sin to eat. But there is a major problem with this argument: eating is a biological necessity. If we don't eat, we die. Sex is not a biological necessity; rather it is a desire.
"Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires." Romans 8:5
Masturbation fixes the mind on the desires of the flesh, and burns the image of nudity and sex into the mind. With each occurrence of masturbation, that image becomes clearer and more intense, and can become a tool of the devil to set up a thought-stronghold. (consider 2 Corinthians 10:3-5)
"So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God." Romans 8:8
Here is the real problem of masturbation: If you are masturbating, you are pleasing only yourself. Your actions are displeasing to God because you are "in the flesh" and a slave to lust. You are offering the members of your body in slavery to impurity and your mind is set on what the flesh desires.
There is a way to be free from slavery to the flesh, and we should not rationalize it as "acceptable under certain conditions" or we are helping to promote the slavery of those who believe us.
"So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want." Galatians 5:16-17
Why is masturbation a sin? It is a sin because when we touch we "gratify the desires of the flesh," which we would not do if we were walking in and living by the Spirit. Let us make this point clear. If we are walking in the Spirit and living by faith, we will not gratify the lusts of the flesh.
"So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin." Romans 14:22-23
Masturbation is a sin because it does not come from faith. I cannot believe the promises of God to supply my every need (Phil. 4:19), to make a way out of every temptation (1 Corinthians 10:13), to keep me from falling (Jude 24), and fall to self-gratification at the same time. Masturbation is not of faith, therefore it is sin.
The way to be free from it is to totally and completely reject it at all times. As we avoid situations that stir up impure thoughts, and as we immerse ourselves in God's Word, and if married, as we turn to our spouse to enjoy sexual intimacy, we walk away free from the prison of sin. As we "lock the door" to self-pleasing, and "bolt it shut", and post a "guard", we can be free from it, free indeed (John 8:36).
When people tell me that "masturbation is not mentioned in the Bible", as if somehow by God's apparent "silence" on the issue He was approving it, I agree with them that the word itself is not mentioned in the Bible, and then try to help them to see that it should be mentioned if God approved of it. For instance, let's examine this passage:
Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion. 1 Corinthians 7:8-9
This is the place where God should mention the word "masturbation" or at least speak of self-gratification if, indeed, it were an option. It would have been easy for Paul to say, "It is better to touch than to burn with passion." No, there is no mention of the word "masturbation" or even any indication that self-sex is acceptable. The "burning" has only one biblical outlet, and that is with a partner in marriage. Any act of sexuality performed outside of marriage is a perversion, and to be avoided.
About Jesus Christ, God the Father says, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." And why? Because He lived a life of obedience unto death, even death on a cross. And we are unworthy to be called His disciples unless we daily take up the cross and follow Him. Taking up our cross means sacrificing our flesh, not gratifying it. It means dying to self, not living to please the flesh. Oh, how we need the teaching of the cross of Jesus Christ in these instances. The cross shows us One Whose flesh was crucified, not "controlled". The cross shows us that we are not to "relieve the pressure" but endure to the point of shedding blood. Stating that masturbation is acceptable "under certain circumstances" is a denial of the cross, for Christians are to follow Him Who died to His flesh.
The truth of the matter is that it is so much easier to totally crucify than to attempt to "control;" for every time we give in to the flesh, it stirs up impure thoughts and strengthens them, making it easier to give in again the next time, and the next. It truly is easier over time to totally deny and refuse self-gratification than it is to "cut back" or to somehow attempt to "control" our flesh. Scripture does not give us any command to "control" our flesh, but many times commands us to "deny" it, and to "crucify" it."
 
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1. Marriage is a different thing. Sex and its forms are part of the gifts in marriage.
1. Idolatry could be anything that divert's one attention and/or devotion to God.


2. 2. Masturbation is self-sex.

3. 3. It is idolatry in the sense that a person turns to it for pleasure or temporal satisfaction instead of turning to God as the Living Water Who satisfies our thirsts. And a person who masturbates keeps coming back to it or doing it so it's serving the flesh.

4. Eating is a biological need that if we don't eat we will die. And after you touch can you thank God for masturbation or not?

Again, sex and its forms are gifts for married people and it's a commandment within marriage (1 Corinthians 7 ), whereas masturbation is not. 5. Paul could have said that for singles you can touch or have self- sex instead. But no, he even said that it's better to marry than to burn in passion.
1. Masturbation does not have this affect on me.

2. So, you're of the opinion that a person cannot touch within the confines of a marriage? Because, even with marriage, one does not marry themself. And if masturbation is a sin because, it's self-sex, then being married doesn't change this dynamic.

3. I watch movies for self-gratification/stimulation, I used to play video games for self-gratification, I take hot baths for self-gratification. Are those sins? I mean, the purpose of doing those things is to stimulate the flesh. If masturbation is a sin because, it stimulates the flesh, then anything that stimulates the flesh is sin. In fact, even sex within marriage is to stimulate the flesh. Do you think a man should pray or read the Bible once he feels the "temptation" to have sex with his wife? Since your basis on saying that masturbation is a sin is because, it stimulates the flesh, then sex would be a sin, as well.

4. Eating is a need, but many people go out and eat delicious, unhealthy, food for self-gratification. I don't thank God after masturbation, but I do thank God for the gift he has given me. Concerning masturbation, God has given me abilities that the greater majority of males don't have. I'm very thankful for that.

5. Or he could've said it was a sin. The Bible addresses many sins, from bestiality, incest, drunkenness and more, yet it never addresses masturbation, even though masturbation was very common then, as it is now. Considering how common it is, you would think in the time the Bible was written it would have been directly addressed if it were sin.

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When a married man turns to sex with his wife, is he idolizing sex? I know you'll say that sex within marriage is not sin, but since one of your points is that masturbation is a sin because, it is the idolization of sex, then anything that gratifies the flesh would be the same.
 
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Yep - it's "self-sex" - auto-erotic. For something that should be pretty straight forward, I'm always amazed by rationalizations.
Since self-sex is never addressed in the Bible, are you of the belief that one can have self-sex within the confines of a marriage? Because, if self-sex is a sin, then one would have to marry their own self for it to be moral.

Are you of the belief that marrying someone gives a person freedom to touch? If a woman's husband is in the military, does she have freedom to touch while he's gone? If so, where did you receive this teaching from?
 
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1. Masturbation does not have this affect on me.

2. So, you're of the opinion that a person cannot touch within the confines of a marriage? Because, even with marriage, one does not marry themself. And if masturbation is a sin because, it's self-sex, then being married doesn't change this dynamic.

3. I watch movies for self-gratification/stimulation, I used to play video games for self-gratification, I take hot baths for self-gratification. Are those sins? I mean, the purpose of doing those things is to stimulate the flesh. If masturbation is a sin because, it stimulates the flesh, then anything that stimulates the flesh is sin. In fact, even sex within marriage is to stimulate the flesh. Do you think a man should pray or read the Bible once he feels the "temptation" to have sex with his wife? Since your basis on saying that masturbation is a sin is because, it stimulates the flesh, then sex would be a sin, as well.

4. Eating is a need, but many people go out and eat delicious, unhealthy, food for self-gratification. I don't thank God after masturbation, but I do thank God for the gift he has given me. Concerning masturbation, God has given me abilities that the greater majority of males don't have. I'm very thankful for that.

5. Or he could've said it was a sin. The Bible addresses many sins, from bestiality, incest, drunkenness and more, yet it never addresses masturbation, even though masturbation was very common then, as it is now. Considering how common it is, you would think in the time the Bible was written it would have been directly addressed if it were sin.

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When a married man turns to sex with his wife, is he idolizing sex? I know you'll say that sex within marriage is not sin, but since one of your points is that masturbation is a sin because, it is the idolization of sex, then anything that gratifies the flesh would be the same.

Yes anything that is not done in faith and for self-gratification is a sin.
 
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Yes anything that is not done in faith and for self-gratification is a sin.
Address my points in the reply.

You say that anything done without faith and for self-gratification is sin? So, eating fried chicken at Popeye's is a sin? What about eating catfish? Those are very unhealthy foods that are eaten for self-gratification.

Let's apply the reasoning to everything we do.
 
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You see, it's not important what kind of sin we do. Sin is still sin. But what is important is to recognize it for what it is then confess, repent, humble oneself and turn to God. Again, only the Holy Spirit can convict a person so I am just sharing this. The result is up to God and it's between you and Him.
 
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Address my points in the reply.

You say that anything done without faith and for self-gratification is sin? So, eating fried chicken at Popeye's is a sin? What about eating catfish? Those are very unhealthy foods that are eaten for self-gratification.

Let's apply the reasoning to everything we do.

C'mon. I know you know what we are talking about here. It's self-explanatory, the difference between eating unhealthy and sex act in God's temple (the Holy Spirit is in us). Sexual sin is against one's own body as written in the scripture.
 
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But here's the problem: You say that masturbation is sin, then proceeded to give reasons as to why. Those reasons are no longer valid, nor have you addressed my points towards them.

The reasons you gave are no longer valid, yet you still proclaim it as sin, though, the Bible clearly does not address it.

The point of this thread was to answer WHY masturbation is wrong, yet all your reasons are now invalid so, what is the point of this thread, anymore?

C'mon. I know you know what we are talking about here. It's self-explanatory, the difference between eating unhealthy and sex act in God's temple (the Holy Spirit is in us). Sexual sin is against one's own body as written in the scripture.
Yes, but you still haven't proven that masturbation is sin. So, considering all your points, I take it that you believe that defiling one's body with unhealthy food is also sin?
 
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But here's the problem: You say that masturbation is sin, then proceeded to give reasons as to why. Those reasons are no longer valid, nor have you addressed my points towards them.

The reasons you gave are no longer valid, yet you still proclaim it as sin, though, the Bible clearly does not address it.

The point of this thread was to answer WHY masturbation is wrong, yet all your reasons are now invalid so, what is the point of this thread, anymore?

Who said it's invalid? The Scripture supports it. If you don't agree now, I respect your choice. And I understand you, because as I've said, I, myself, used to think the same way as you do until recently.
 
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Who said it's invalid? The Scripture supports it. If you don't agree now, I respect your choice. And I understand you, because as I've said, I, myself, used to think the same way as you do until recently.
I respect your opinion, but all your points don't give in to the idea that masturbation is sin. All the scriptures you have used don't point to it being sin. They just don't.

In fact, I've read the whole thing and addressed every point. Would you do the same?

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Again, I ask: How old are you?

^ Let that not interfere with the original/pre-edited portion of this post.
 
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Since self-sex is never addressed in the Bible, are you of the belief that one can have self-sex within the confines of a marriage? Because, if self-sex is a sin, then one would have to marry their own self for it to be moral.

Are you of the belief that marrying someone gives a person freedom to touch? If a woman's husband is in the military, does she have freedom to touch while he's gone? If so, where did you receive this teaching from?

There are a plethora of sins that are not directly addressed in the Bible, so the point is somewhat meaningless especially since I never claimed such. This is basically a strawman argument. I also never brought up marriage because it usually just confuses the subject. My personal feeling is that masturbation after/within marriage does more damage than before, but either way it's auto-erotic and therefore misses the mark.
 
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If the above scriptures couldn't get to you, there's nothing anymore I can add to it. It doesn't matter if I'm 18 or 80, the Word of God applies to each and every believer pertaining to God's call for holiness.

I hope you'll let the Word speak to you or ask God to lead you to what pleases Him in your life. After all it's your personal walk with God, not mine. It's your eternal calling, course, and reward that are at stake here and not mine.

(FYI, the CF App is pretty bad. It takes many resending and a long wait before I was able to get it posted here. I lost about a half of my orig. replies to you and so I just cut it short.)
 
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The points you made were about self-gratification (which isn't even a sin), addiction and idolatry. The problem, is that anything can be addictive and anything can be idolized. Consider that many who do touch don't have an addiction to it or idolize sex.

So, where else in the Bible can you find that it points to it being sin? If you say immorality, you have to prove that it's immoral first.

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I wanted to know your age so, I could get an idea of your spiritual experience. Nevermind that. How long have you been a Christian?
 
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