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This is only a problem if you read the bible literally. Of course, reading the bible literally causes a mutitute of OTHER problems as well, including the one where it contradicts itself.
Firstly, like someone already pointed out to you, these two are the same thing.
The two characters are in fact the same character. The fact that you don't know this sais that you don't know much about evolution. Perhaps it MIGHT be a good idea to learn what evolution actually sais before argueing against it? In much the same way that you might think twice about arguing with Tiger Woods about golf before you actually know anything about golf?
Another thing. You claim that natural selection violates God's principles of love and harmony. Are you claiming that God created something that violates his own principles?
Since natural selection happens, and since it is part of nature, and since God created nature, it follows that God created natural selection. Who are you to tell God what he may and may not create, and what his principles are?
Heres a question for you. Is this world heaven? I am pretty sure the answer you will give is 'NO', we are not currently in heaven.
Now, considering the fact that this is NOT heaven, is it surprising at all that not everything is in accordance with God's principles of love?
Neither did Jesus even mention you AV. Does this mean that you do not exist?
Are you saying that everything God created should suddenly fall apart, rot, and collapse after the sixth day? Why would this happen? I am pretty sure that God knew what he was doing, why would everything suddenly stop working after he is done creating them?
Gravity still works. Chemistry still works. All the internal machinery that keeps reality intact seems to still be working. Why would anything that emerges from these processes (like evolution for instance) stop working?
You have claimed before the the world was created with history 'built in'. If this is so, what prevents evolution to be built in along with all the other history?
I suggest you learn a bit about evolution. I have seen other make this suggestion too.
Here is a question which I expect you to answer: Why have you not learned anything in yout time here on this forum?
What on Earth does that verse have to do with electromagnetism? Do you even know how we get our electromagnetic field?
But with evolution where exactly does the need for salvation come from? Did sin somehow evolve into the world?
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
That is so wrong it's not even funny. The electromagnetic field has nothing whatsoever to do with iron.
The electromagnetic field has nothing whatsoever to do with iron.
That's getting a wee bit far afield. What I meant was that iron, the element, has nothing to do with the general construct of an electromagnetic field.Of Earth? Yes it does... the iron core revolving within the molten outer core is assumed responsible for earths EM field
That's getting a wee bit far afield. What I meant was that iron, the element, has nothing to do with the general construct of an electromagnetic field.
No --- not at all. In fact, I'm claiming that's one of the reasons natural selection doesn't exist --- it violates God's principles.
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God did not create natural selection to operate before the Fall; and as I have stated before, it operates on a microevolutionary (adaptation) level, not a macroevolutionary level.
I do believe God created natural selection, but He did it knowing what was going to happen, and it sat dormant until after the Fall.
Once again, natural selection operates against God's principles on a microevolutionary level, but God draws the line at macroevolution.
This point is fair enough. Not that there are not other explanations for the genealogies...
... but I'll concede that they are probably concocted after the fact.
This is the crux of the problem- how the Bible should be considered in Christian belief.
Unless you believe that the fetishism of a book is more important than it's content, then the specifics of history are not wholly relevant to the theological validity of a given lifeway.
We would have to establish that the Bible contradicts the theory in ways other than chronology.
This argument does not hold water. Love: In the Bible, the love of God is rarely expressed through being "nice." The repeating pattern of the Pre-Christian faith is that of God leading his people through various trials, killing or dislocating most of them, and keeping the remnant who remain faithful to him.
... Not only are these the actions of a God who considers our lives less important than our spiritual wellbeing, they also represent a societal version of natural selection: the environment changes, and the people who were most equipped to deal with it survive and carry on the church.
As for harmony, evolution has the effect of working toward equilibrium...
Always? A few times. And since Jesus regularly spoke in parables and hyperbole, I can't see why it would be hard to believe that he would use the origin myth as it was intended to be used, for it's spiritual rather than scientific value.
Light is only a small portion of the EM spectrum.
micro evolution and macro evolution... do evolutionary biologists use these terms? cos after all my reading, what creationists say is macro evolution looks like a bunch of steps of micro evolution... I don't see the difference.
Emphasis mine...
So which is it? Does natural selection exist, or not? Was it created by God, or does it operate against God's principle?
micro evolution and macro evolution... do evolutionary biologists use these terms? cos after all my reading, what creationists say is macro evolution looks like a bunch of steps of micro evolution... I don't see the difference.
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