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blackwasp said:For the record, the Beatles were extremely talented. To deny that shows an ignorance of music. (I make this claim despite not really liking the Beatles)
blackwasp said:You need to get beyond the "I want to hold your hand" days and venture towards the later material.
theFijian said:I recently had a thought as to why I find that christian music uninteresting to secular music. Apologies if someone else has already said all of this but i couldn't be bothered reading through the whole thread.
A lot of christian artists see their music as a calling and even intend their music to be used as worship music. At the centre of this is a desire to glorify God. Amen to that I say.
However with the secular musician (I am speaking in general terms here) is less bound by a sense of an 'ulterior motive' (for wont of a better term) for their music. Therefore the secular musician is more likely to explore adn experiment musically as the music is the end, rather than a means to an end.
If I can put it simply, and with less procrastination, the 'secular' musician is more likely to experiment with musical styles than a 'christian' musician because for the christian musician the music is more a medium for their message than it is for the secular musician. Your thoughts are much appreciated, as I may be talking complete dung.
cheers,
Andy
christpunx said:umm..because they don't write good songs. i can't stand to listen for more than about 3 seconds for any of those bands. is that ok with you?
theFijian said:A lot of christian artists see their music as a calling and even intend their music to be used as worship music. At the centre of this is a desire to glorify God. Amen to that I say.
However with the secular musician (I am speaking in general terms here) is less bound by a sense of an 'ulterior motive' (for wont of a better term) for their music. Therefore the secular musician is more likely to explore adn experiment musically as the music is the end, rather than a means to an end.
If I can put it simply, and with less procrastination, the 'secular' musician is more likely to experiment with musical styles than a 'christian' musician because for the christian musician the music is more a medium for their message than it is for the secular musician. Your thoughts are much appreciated, as I may be talking complete dung.
Some interesting points but I personally couldn't give two hoots about what christian artists do. However some of them make a big deal of their christianity to play to the christian market for the sake of sales, but then when they want some musical credibility from the secular market they play down their christianity. They can't have it both ways I'm afraid!Dadmeister said:Kudos to you TF this indeed is a huge factor - but I feel you are putting way to much weight on the musician rather than the Christian music "fan"... Just ask Doug Pinnick, Klayton Scott, Ben Moody, or Paul Hewson about the pressures of wearing your faith on your sleeve.
To this day I am amazed by Christians who listen to Secular music, attend professional sports games, go to R movies, and even go clubbing.... but when their beloved Christian band proclaims they do not want to be labelled a "Christian" band - it's How could they?? the sellouts!!!
Shame...
Maybe when we as Christians stop putting the pressure on Christian artists and entertainers to fit "our" expectations - they will be able to express themselves and be "interesting"...
Dadmeister
brettnolan said:Been away for a few days, interesting where the conversation has gone.
Just to catch up a little...wasp, I never said the Beatles were not talented (except for maybe, you know who). I think the accomplishments of the other three speak to their talents. Unfortunately, I can't remember how we got on this issue(probably had something to do with complex musical structures or something), but the early Beatles stuff was fairly simple...and that's all I meant by that.
Fijian, I think you have made the best point so far. I think this site has more than its share of music afficionados. I guess I thought that there would be more average listeners than there seem to be. As a casual listener myself, even though there are times when I listen with more of an analytical ear, I am still not convinced that Christian music sucks.
Great post! I agree that the early material was fairly simple, but the catchy melodies and instrumentation was still pretty groundbreaking at the time.brettnolan said:Been away for a few days, interesting where the conversation has gone.
Just to catch up a little...wasp, I never said the Beatles were not talented (except for maybe, you know who). I think the accomplishments of the other three speak to their talents. Unfortunately, I can't remember how we got on this issue(probably had something to do with complex musical structures or something), but the early Beatles stuff was fairly simple...and that's all I meant by that.
Fijian, I think you have made the best point so far. I think this site has more than its share of music afficionados. I guess I thought that there would be more average listeners than there seem to be. As a casual listener myself, even though there are times when I listen with more of an analytical ear, I am still not convinced that Christian music sucks.
Very good point, Andy. I think that there is a distinction between Christian praise music and christian entertainment music (Grits v. Chris Tomlin). I think that it is great that there are songwriters like Chris Tomlin, but I wish they would tackle weightier doctrine then they do. As far as christian entertainment goes...well, I think those musicians should have to compete in the secular market without a "christian label" to protect them.theFijian said:I recently had a thought as to why I find that christian music uninteresting to secular music. Apologies if someone else has already said all of this but i couldn't be bothered reading through the whole thread.
A lot of christian artists see their music as a calling and even intend their music to be used as worship music. At the centre of this is a desire to glorify God. Amen to that I say.
However with the secular musician (I am speaking in general terms here) is less bound by a sense of an 'ulterior motive' (for wont of a better term) for their music. Therefore the secular musician is more likely to explore adn experiment musically as the music is the end, rather than a means to an end.
If I can put it simply, and with less procrastination, the 'secular' musician is more likely to experiment with musical styles than a 'christian' musician because for the christian musician the music is more a medium for their message than it is for the secular musician. Your thoughts are much appreciated, as I may be talking complete dung.
cheers,
Andy
Don't make me go find retarded Blink 182 Lyrics.blackwasp said:"Sadie Hawkins dance, in my khaki pants, do you like my sweater?"
-yup, they are deep.
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