What's Wrong With Anything?

[fossous]

Just a simple question,

What is wrong with anything (including prostitution)?

Really, who's to say ultimately? Killing, prostitution, suicide, "bad" art, beating your wife.

I mean really, who's to say? Sure governments are powerful and can "force" you to do something, but that does not make it right (bacculum) right?

And sure wiccans say they try not to harm anybody - but what is harm anyway and what's wrong with harm? Maybe to help somebody is harmful (such as Hindu & Buddhist philosophy entails).

So go ahead, i'm mean really,

Eat, Drink, and be Merry, for tomorrow we Die!

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[fossous]

To ask a question, what's wrong with prostitution begs the question - - - and is a poor means of thinking.

Again, what's wrong with anything, thus if this can be answered, (the general) then of course the specifics will or may follow.

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[Spinrad]

In the context of a civil society certain things are seen to be wrong when they have a deliterious effct on that society.

 

[HouseApe]

I start from the idea that it is wrong if it harms me or mine. And I suspect everyone else would agree for them and theirs. The rest is compromise.

 

[gaijin178]

Just a simple question,

What is wrong with anything (including prostitution)?

Really, who's to say ultimately? Killing, prostitution, suicide, "bad" art, beating your wife.

I mean really, who's to say? Sure governments are powerful and can "force" you to do something, but that does not make it right (bacculum) right?

And sure wiccans say they try not to harm anybody - but what is harm anyway and what's wrong with harm? Maybe to help somebody is harmful (such as Hindu & Buddhist philosophy entails).

So go ahead, i'm mean really,

Eat, Drink, and be Merry, for tomorrow we Die!

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I have never heard of someone say that a Buddhist and Hindu philosophy viewing helping others as being harmful. This is interesting.

 

[Danhalen]

I would have to say that any action that interferes with another person's ability to acheive joy is wrong. That being said, when someone only finds joy in controlling the actions of another person, all other actions contrary to that person's are wrong. So we must consider the whole of society in order to determine what is wrong. Therefore, any action which encourages the fulfillment of joy for the greatest amount of people can be said to be right, and that which impedes the most people is wrong.

 

[praying]

I start from the idea that it is wrong if it harms me or mine. And I suspect everyone else would agree for them and theirs. The rest is compromise.

No I disagree, there are many things that I view as worng that don't necessarily harm me or mine.

 

[Heather S.]

I base almost everything on science. Scientific (or historical) evidence shows that certain practices (murder, rape) only cause harm to society. If we allowed men to rape women and kill their enemies for revenge, all that would come of it would be blood feuds and (in a larger sense) battles and wars. Society would crumble. This is why we have the laws that we do - to keep society intact and to protect people from each other. If something harms society - such as murder - then it is "wrong".

Basically, I believe that humans evolved as a tribal species. We consider something to be "wrong" if it is detrimental to our tribe (i.e. our country/society).


Heather

 

[Eudaimonist]

but what is harm anyway and what's wrong with harm?

Have you ever been harmed before? Think back. I think you knew the answer then.

 

[psychedelicist]

Ditto to what Spinrad, Danhalen, and Heather S. said.

 

[David Gould]

There is nothing 'wrong' with anything outside of a context/perspective. Once you provide a context/perspective then I will be able to tell you whether something is wrong or not.

Rape, for example, is not wrong in the context or from the perspective of someone who enjoys rape, does not object to the suffering of another and weighs the risks of being caught and punished as worth the joy.

In the context of someone who does not fit those criteria - for example, the victim, or those who care about them - rape is wrong.

But without context/perspective there are no moral issues involved in anything.

 

[praying]

There is nothing 'wrong' with anything outside of a context/perspective. Once you provide a context/perspective then I will be able to tell you whether something is wrong or not.

Rape, for example, is not wrong in the context or from the perspective of someone who enjoys rape, does not object to the suffering of another and weighs the risks of being caught and punished as worth the joy.

In the context of someone who does not fit those criteria - for example, the victim, or those who care about them - rape is wrong.

But without context/perspective there are no moral issues involved in anything.

Oh please, tel lthat to your son when and if you have one.

 

[Spinrad]

Oh please, tel lthat to your son when and if you have one.

I have. Why?

 

[David Gould]

Oh please, tel lthat to your son when and if you have one.

I will certainly tell this to my children. What do you think will happen when I do?

 

[praying]

Rape is not wrong? I don't care what people enjoy but violently forcing onesself on someone is wrong. Now if you say thoughts of rape aren't wrong then maybe we can agree but I would say that anyone who harbors serious violent rape fantasies has issues.

 

[David Gould]

Rape is not wrong? I don't care what people enjoy but violently forcing onesself on someone is wrong. Now if you say thoughts of rape aren't wrong then maybe we can agree but I would say that anyone who harbors serious violent rape fantasies has issues.

You are missing what I am saying. Rape can only be considered wrong in a context and from a perspective. When you say 'Rape is wrong' what you are actually saying is 'I believe rape is wrong.' That is all. From the perspective of someone who does not hold that believe, rape is not wrong.

 

[praying]

You are missing what I am saying. Rape can only be considered wrong in a context and from a perspective. When you say 'Rape is wrong' what you are actually saying is 'I believe rape is wrong.' That is all. From the perspective of someone who does not hold that believe, rape is not wrong.

I am not missing what you are saying and I don't think it is wrong it is wrong. Just because you don't think it is wrong doesn't mean it isn't. You are missing what I am saying, there are absolutes.

 

[David Gould]

I am not missing what you are saying and I don't think it is wrong it is wrong. Just because you don't think it is wrong doesn't mean it isn't. You are missing what I am saying, there are absolutes.

Prove to me that rape is wrong (whatever that actually means). If it is an absolute, and it is possible to know with absolute certainty that it is an absolute - which is what you are saying - then you must have a logical proof that it is an absolute. Please show that proof to me.

If you have no such logical proof, how can you know that rape is wrong (whatever that means)?