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I have read it. Still say that there is NO Satanism allowed at Christian Forums.light-bringer said:Its a bias it seems. People should read the satanic bible before saying untrue things about it.
umm, what does me having a big mouth(saying my opinion on something) have to do with bashing??? I didnt bash your faith, maybe if you read my post carefully you would understand that I was making a point using the Christian faith as an example with your argument that Islam is not a violent religion. And I am one of those here who want to learn about other religions, but im sorry that my opinion of Islam not being violent bothers you so badly.I don't think someone who admits to having a big mouth
http://www.christianforums.com/show...83&postcount=79
would have the guts to call other contributions as "bashing"
there are those who want to learn about other people's faiths, and I can see that others faiths are free to post whatever they want as well including their "bashing" of the Christian faith
so , live with it
Actually many members are glad you're here. I for one learn a lot reading in here and I really enjoy it. Most of the people in this section are very kind, patient and go out of their way to answer questions.The only way that this would be a happier place for a majority of the site members and the moderators would be if we we non-christians weren't here.
gaijin178 said:This is all just sad to me....this is a place for non-christian people to post with christian people to learn from each other. I don't try to change anyone who posts here, just make them understand me a little better. I won't mention the religious tradition that will get me a warning but it's sad that a particular non-christian belief is being singled out as something that is non-christian in a non-christian section of this site. It doesn't matter if I believe that it is valid or not...that's my own opinion and I don't need to share it.
The only way that this would be a happier place for a majority of the site members and the moderators would be if we we non-christians weren't here. I don't feel welcome...even if I have learned a lot...but I stay to share....a boycot of non-christian members might make this site not very interesting....hmmmm....
boughtwithaprice said:What is so hard to understand that Satanism is not Non-Christian, it is unchristian. Satan is the antithesis of Christ; there is no good in him. Those that follow him are deceived into thinking that they are doing something good. Satan makes himself look wise and powerful, but he is deceptive, nothing more than a thief that comes to kill, to rob, and to destroy. We moderators would be lax in our duties if we allowed the name of Satan to be promoted and defended here.
As has been pointed out, there are other religions that teach a reality apart from God, and elevate the self above any deity. You can debate those religions, but not promote them. You can talk about varying philosophies without mentioning the name of Satan. Is that so hard?
I just can't see any reason to have the name of Satan defended, debated or promoted on a christian web site. It goes against eveything that we stand for.
Anyone that wants to boycott this site because of this ruling, is free to do so. CF will go on without you.
gaijin178 said:but according to chrisianity, anything that isn't christian is of satan...so by allowing us to have this section is doing nothing different than to allow people to post about satanism. If you read any of the posts about it....they use the name but it has nothing to do with Christianity or being the antithesis of christianity as anything not of chrisianity is the antithesis.
Romans 2:11-29
For there is no partiality with God.
For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law;
for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.
For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,
in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,
on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.
But if you bear the name "Jew" and rely upon the Law and boast in God,
and know His will and approve the things that are essential, being instructed out of the Law,
and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness,
a corrector of the foolish, a teacher of the immature, having in the Law the embodiment of knowledge and of the truth,
you, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that one shall not steal, do you steal?
You who say that one should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?
You who boast in the Law, through your breaking the Law, do you dishonor God?
For "THE NAME OF GOD IS BLASPHEMED AMONG THE GENTILES BECAUSE OF YOU," just as it is written.
For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.
So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision?
And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law?
For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh.
But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
But Satanism has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Satan character featured in the Christian Bible... and aren't moral standards a subjective thing anyway? What's really "good" and what's really "evil"?boughtwithaprice said:What is so hard to understand that Satanism is not Non-Christian, it is unchristian. Satan is the antithesis of Christ; there is no good in him. Those that follow him are deceived into thinking that they are doing something good. Satan makes himself look wise and powerful, but he is deceptive, nothing more than a thief that comes to kill, to rob, and to destroy. We moderators would be lax in our duties if we allowed the name of Satan to be promoted and defended here.
As has been pointed out, there are other religions that teach a reality apart from God, and elevate the self above any deity. You can debate those religions, but not promote them. You can talk about varying philosophies without mentioning the name of Satan. Is that so hard?
I just can't see any reason to have the name of Satan defended, debated or promoted on a christian web site. It goes against eveything that we stand for.
Anyone that wants to boycott this site because of this ruling, is free to do so. CF will go on without you.
Dr. LaVey has answered this question many times in his writings and in interviews but, apparently, it’s a tough concept for some people. It is usually accompanied by, “You know, everything you say makes a lot of sense. But that name, ‘Satan’, is a real turn-off for people. Why don’t you just call it ‘Humanism’ or something—you’d get a lot more followers.” Of course, the first point is, we don’t need a lot of followers; we need more leaders in society in general and Satanism is a philosophy of leaders. That’s the glib answer. The more complete answer is that Satanists find more strength in images of defiance, fortitude against all odds and self-determination than we do in the image of the guy hanging on the Cross. We are sickened by the complacency, hypocrisy, prejudice, and self-righteousness that most conventional religions (including “Wicca” and “paganism” as they are currently defined) encourage in people. When my back is up against the wall, I’m not strengthened by Jesus’ supposed martyrdom, or by the idea of praying and being saved, or of mooning over some glorious afterlife (so I don’t have to take responsibility for this one). Satanists’ scorn for such drivel is in our hard-wiring, and we could no more “give our lives over to Christ” than we could cut off one of our own limbs. The word “Satan” is the first hurdle to understanding what we’re trying to get across. Question, challenge all things, especially what you’ve been taught about supposed enemies. Sort out the truth from convenient myths. Words are magical and potent—use them effectively. People have tried to dismiss Satanism, saying, “Well, Satan is only a construction of the Christian church so Satanism is only an inversion of Christianity. It’s still dependent on Christianity; Satanists are just Christians who want to play bad boy.” That’s missing the broader point. Christians didn’t invent Satan. There is always a Satan, an adversary, in every culture. There is always the figure who represents the Dark Side, the unexplored realms, the prideful beast who defies the norm. God, on the other hand, generally represents conventionality, predictability, the safety of normality, the comfort of the larger group and the rewards of staying within the bounds of propriety. That interaction is necessary to life and progress—not “good” versus “evil,” but that constant interchange between a need for conventionality and a need for risk-taking by those few who are compelled to explore the murky regions. The blasphemers and heretics take chances, clearing the path for others to follow. Christianity didn’t invent the idea of that interplay any more than they invented the idea of Lucifer; they just happen to represent the status quo at this time. So, in a Judeo-Christian society, we call ourselves Satanists.
Mi Zai said:But Satanism has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Satan character featured in the Christian Bible... and aren't moral standards a subjective thing anyway? What's really "good" and what's really "evil"?
light-bringer said:That should clear it up.
I don't think I am breaking any rule in the TOS by quoting this. If so let me know.
The quote basically admits that it is there only to oppose and subvert, it does not show me why I should accept it on a Christian web site.light-bringer said:See my last post...I quoted some intereseting text. It describes why its called that.
so, it still has his characteristicslight-bringer said:It also says its not about the Biblical character named Satan.
Edit: I believe my response was somewhat harsh, so I have erased it. Please pardon me.boughtwithaprice said:so, it still has his characteristics
This is essentially what my previous post stated, but in a much kinder way.light-bringer said:It seems like a lost cause. To give insight into other religions but reject one because it is supposedly about the biblical satan is sickening. By talking about it [satanism], there is no grounds to delete and/or edit a topic. If you look in the rules, there is NONE that states Satanism can't be discussed, only something "satanic" which is not clearly defined. Other religions cannot be promoted though, which is different from discussion Once again, Satanism is not Satanic in the biblical sense. Goto religioustolerance.com But who cares about my views eh? Afterall I am just another heretic.
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