What's the difference?

[FaithLikeARock]

I've noticed that in general, most pro-lifers are men and most pro-choicers are women. Don't tell me I'm wrong and give me some exceptions. Most of the time, this is the case. But why? What is so different that we can separate this by gender. I know that pregnancy is a women's thing but what about Christian women?

 

[Calliso]

This is just my opinion so I may be wrong. But I think you see more prolife men then women because it is kinda easy for a man to be prolife imo. They donlt have to directly deal with the consequences of an unwanted and unplanned pregnancy. Because of the fact that women do have to directly deal with such things I think that is why you see more prochoice women. To trully be a prolife women imo takes a lot more guts then it takes to be a prolife man, because one day those prolife women might have a unwanted unplanned pregnancy that they will be the ones directly dealing with.

 

[-~Truth_N_Trust~-]

Yeah, I think calliso has a point. Men probably see it as a mere black and white issue, whereas women are a lot more intimate with the topic...

That said I am pro-life - but I'm not judgemental or rude about it!

 

[-~Truth_N_Trust~-]

Yeah, I think calliso has a point. Men probably see it as a mere black and white issue, whereas women are a lot more intimate with the topic...

That said I am pro-life - but I'm not judgemental or rude about it!

 

[NDNgirl4ever]

It's because women are the ones who actually get pregnant. A man can get a woman pregnant, walk away, and never have to deal with it. A woman on the other hand, is forced to face and deal with the pregnancy, no matter what she chooses. That's why a lot of women, myself included, are pro-choice. We are the ones who are actually affected by it.

 

[Ave Maria]

I just noticed this but some of the posts are still out of order. I thought they had this fixed?

Anyway, you'd have to show me some actual statistics before I'd believe that most men are pro-life. Why? Because in my case, most men are actually pro-choice. I think it varies depending on the kind of guys you know and who you are friends with. That said, does anyone have a link to any actual statistics on gender and pro-life/pro-choice views?

 

[sidnee]

It's because women are the ones who actually get pregnant. A man can get a woman pregnant, walk away, and never have to deal with it. A woman on the other hand, is forced to face and deal with the pregnancy, no matter what she chooses. That's why a lot of women, myself included, are pro-choice. We are the ones who are actually affected by it.

I agree.
That being said, I am female and pro life.

 

[dentonz]

This is just my opinion so I may be wrong. But I think you see more prolife men then women because it is kinda easy for a man to be prolife imo. They donlt have to directly deal with the consequences of an unwanted and unplanned pregnancy. Because of the fact that women do have to directly deal with such things I think that is why you see more prochoice women. To trully be a prolife women imo takes a lot more guts then it takes to be a prolife man, because one day those prolife women might have a unwanted unplanned pregnancy that they will be the ones directly dealing with.

You're right, I am a man and I would'nt have to deal with it directly, because I wouldn't exist if my mother would have listened to reason and all the doctors telling her that I would be deformed, mentally deficient, or simply stillborn. Or that my mother was physically incapable of giving birth and that she would probably die during childbirth if allowed to carry full term.
However 33 years later, we are both healthy and completely normal, thanks to my mother listening to God rather than man.

 

[bliz]

What I find interesting is the number of young men, childless and unmarried who are vehemently opposed to any abortion for any reason. I think that it is very thinly disguised misogyny.

 

[Eleveness]

What I find interesting is the number of young men, childless and unmarried who are vehemently opposed to any abortion for any reason. I think that it is very thinly disguised misogyny.

I have never observed young men who are vehemently opposed to abortion, but yes, I agree that that would be a form of misogyny.

I am a 26-year-old childless, happily unmarried man who is firmly pro-choice. While I think that a developing fetus is not a human being and has no rights, the reason why I am pro-choice is because I believe that a pregnant woman has the right to remove the fetus from her body because she owns her own body, including the oxygen and nutrients in her bloodstream. I see the decision to abort as an exercise of property rights--nothing more. Even if a fetus had the same rights as a fully-developed human being, it still wouldn't have the right to forcibly take nutrients from its mother's bloodstream, any more than we do.

Even though I will never become pregnant and so the issue of abortion will never personally impact me, I still do not wish to see the women of this world enslaved and deprived of the right to decide what happens to their own body. Even though I'm a man, I still care about women, and one of the ways I care for them is by respecting and defending their rights. Anything less would indeed be misogynistic.

 

[IronWill]

Some research here may help. The fact is, that most polls demonstrate that men and women are almost equally divided over the issue. The fact of the matter is, that slightly more women are against abortion then men. And in some polls slightly more men are in favor of abortion than women.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Yeah, I think calliso has a point. Men probably see it as a mere black and white issue, whereas women are a lot more intimate with the topic...

That said I am pro-life - but I'm not judgemental or rude about it!

actually you are wrong, more MEN are pro abortion than women. MOst abortion doctors are men who are doing the actual killing.

Its just women are more vocal about it and seem to revial in the killing of their children(thats what feminism does to women, turns them into cesspit monsters). Wheras men just want abortion so they can have sex more with even more less responsibility.

ANd remember ANYTHING can be hidden under the guise of "Choice", i could hide that the nazi's should be able to have the "choice" to kill Jews, but yet claim to be against killing of Jews. You would see how hypocritical that would make me. Abortion is no different. The term "Pro-choice is about as hypocritical as you can get.

 

[Trashionista]

actually you are wrong, more MEN are pro abortion than women. MOst abortion doctors are men who are doing the actual killing.

That's because more men, became doctors in comparison to women. Obviously, that may change and probably is changing, but the amount of men in med school has historically outnumbered the female med school population.

To wit: http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-4264460_ITM
It wasn't until the 03/04 school year, that the number of women just applying to med school outnumbered men. That's only 4-5 years ago.
Roe v. Wade wasn't decided until '73.
For the sake of this argument, focus on the thirty year period between 1973 and 2003.

So, in thirty year time period, more men were becoming doctors than women. So, in all probability, a man would be performing an abortion, just as a woman would probably more likely to have a pap smear done by a male doctor than a female doctor; just as that 8 year old neice or nephew when getting their tonsils out would be more likely to have the operation done by a man. This isn't a suggestion that only men wanted to be gynos, or that men somehow found it more exciting than women to remove the tonsils. Just as it isn't "proof" that men are more supportive of abortion rights. This is just an illustration of the time period that men were more likely to become doctors.

Also, you didn't actually provide any link or any real, concrete information other than your view of things when you made that abortion by male doctor's statement, so I do doubt the validity of your opinion. Which is what it is, an opinion. Nothing much more than that.

Its just women are more vocal about it and seem to revial in the killing of their children(thats what feminism does to women, turns them into cesspit monsters). Wheras men just want abortion so they can have sex more with even more less responsibility.

You may want to stop just basing your views on women and feminists solely on opinions from Rush Limbaugh's radio broadcasts.

Also, if it weren't for feminism, I wouldn't have a part-time job, I wouldn't be eligible to vote, I probably couldn't read or write, I certainly wouldn't be in a post-secondary institution of education. So before you brand all feminists with the same "Feminazi" brush out to ruin the American heartland, be sure to be well-versed enough in feminist history to actually make such a crude, tasteless, & chauvinistic statement.

I know I've gotten the "I pity any child who embeds itself in your womb", but I will say, I am sincerely glad the men who've shaped me don't hold your views of women and of feminists.

ANd remember ANYTHING can be hidden under the guise of "Choice", i could hide that the nazi's should be able to have the "choice" to kill Jews, but yet claim to be against killing of Jews. You would see how hypocritical that would make me. Abortion is no different. The term "Pro-choice is about as hypocritical as you can get.

Genocide is not the same as abortion.
Plenty of women will choose to have children; the amount of women who choose to go through a pregnancy outnumber the amount of women who choose abortion.
However, the Jewish population - based only upon sheer numbers - has not recovered from the devastation of the Shoah.
The Jewish population was at risk of total extinction. The fetus population has not been, and will not be, simply from keeping abortion legal.
The comparison is weak.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

That's because more men, became doctors in comparison to women. Obviously, that may change and probably is changing, but the amount of men in med school has historically outnumbered the female med school population.

To wit: It wasn't until the 03/04 school year, that the number of women just applying to med school outnumbered men. That's only 4-5 years ago.
Roe v. Wade wasn't decided until '73.
For the sake of this argument, focus on the thirty year period between 1973 and 2003.

Could it be that maybe a good number of women prefer to still stay home and be married and take care of their children? Imagine that!

Also, you didn't actually provide any link or any real, concrete information other than your view of things when you made that abortion by male doctor's statement, so I do doubt the validity of your opinion. Which is what it is, an opinion. Nothing much more than that.

Im sorry that is truth, more males support abortion. Maybe not in the sickening way feminists do, but they still do because they can easily have more sexual partners.

You may want to stop just basing your views on women and feminists solely on opinions from Rush Limbaugh's radio broadcasts.

Also, if it weren't for feminism, I wouldn't have a part-time job, I wouldn't be eligible to vote, I probably couldn't read or write, I certainly wouldn't be in a post-secondary institution of education. So before you brand all feminists with the same "Feminazi" brush out to ruin the American heartland, be sure to be well-versed enough in feminist history to actually make such a crude, tasteless, & chauvinistic statement.

Organizations like NOW and other modern feminist groups have gone way beyond that. WOmen are already able to vote and work part time. Yet they still exist. Why? To push in our faces anti-family values and attack marriage. They are equating their values to marxism and even communism. Today feminists look down on marriage women who prefer to stay home and live a biblical marriage. You stigmatized the homemaker. Roe v Wade was the turning point when the true colors of feminism came out. Feminists have made is very clear that they want to destory marriage and are dedicated to destroying the family. They have made this very clear in their quotes


"No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one." -- Interview with Simone de Beauvoir, "Sex, Society, and the Female Dilemma" Saturday Review, June 14, 1975, p.18

W]omen, like men, should not have to bear children.... The destruction of the biological family, never envisioned by Freud, will allow the emergence of new women and men, different from any people who have previously existed. ? Alison Jagger - Political Philosophies of Women's Liberation: Feminism and Philosophy (Totowa, NJ: Littlefield, Adams & Co. 1977)

"In order to raise children with equality, we must take them away from families and communally raise them" Dr. Mary Jo Bane, feminist and assistant professor of education at Wellesley College and associate director of the school's Center for Research on Woman -- Do I hear YFS / DSS / CPS here??

"The care of children ..is infinitely better left to the best trained practitioners of both sexes who have chosen it as a vocation...[This] would further undermine family structure while contributing to the freedom of women." Kate Millet, Sexual Politics 178-179





From Sisterhood Is Powerful, Robin Morgan (ed), 1970, p. 537: We can't destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage.

The Feminists -v- The Marriage License Bureau of the State of New York...All the discriminatory practices against women are patterned and rationalized by this slavery-like practice. We can't destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage." -- From Sisterhood Is Powerful, Morgan (ed), 1970 p. 537.



I dont think I need to go on, but we see how SICK these people truely are. THey speak for themselves. We see how God has given them over to a reprobate mind and they are utter depraved filth

 

[Trashionista]

Could it be that maybe a good number of women prefer to still stay home and be married and take care of their children? Imagine that!

I don't doubt that. I didn't say that was impossible.

Im sorry that is truth, more males support abortion. Maybe not in the sickening way feminists do, but they still do because they can easily have more sexual partners.

I'm very sorry you still are unaware of what the difference is between a fact and an opinion or viewpoint based upon a fact.

Organizations like NOW and other modern feminist groups have gone way beyond that. WOmen are already able to vote and work part time.

You do realize that it wasn't until after WWI in the UK that women were actually able to vote? That wasn't that long ago.
The Suffragettes were still feminists, despite what you seem to believe a feminist is.

That's like asking why the NAACP still exists. There will still be racism, just as there is still sexism. The movement for female equality didn't end with The Feminine Mystique.

Yet they still exist. Why? To push in our faces anti-family values and attack marriage. Their are equating their values to marxism and even communism.

Communism isn't always bad. Have you actually read any of what Marx wrote? Or is your entire view of communism based upon Stalinist regimes? I agree, if you're basing Marxism on what Stalin did, then maybe Marxism isn't the greatest. But the Russian revolution wasn't really a Marxist revolution - not the way Marx envisioned. It could be argued that we haven't yet seen a true Marxist revolution.

I really wish you were aware of what you were talking about before you made such inane, unrelated comments, but it is quite entertaining.

Today feminists look down on marriage women who prefer to stay home and live a biblical marriage.

Again, stop relying on Limbaugh for a view on modern feminists. That is not how all feminists feel.

Like the Marx issue, I have to question whether you've actually read any real, feminist writings. Is your entire view of feminists based on this NOW organization? What about Gloria Steiem, the Pankhursts, Susan B. Anthony, Betty Freiden? I have to wonder, if you're basing your understanding of Marx just on Castro, Stalin, etc, perhaps you've also done this to the feminist movements?

You stigmatized the homemaker.

No I didn't. I did mention that many great men have been wonderful influences upon me, but I don't discount the influence of great, educated women on my life, either. Whether they worked in public or in the home.

Do find that quote, I'd like to see it. Considering, I just went to an all-female school, the person who started me on the pathway to my future career and my studies was a woman, as well as the fact that my mother was always at home, I would like to see such a statement.

Roe v Wade was he turning point when the true colors of feminism came out.

If you're suggesting that 1973 was the third wave of feminism, I'd have to respectfully disagree. Women were not nearly in as much legislative power at that point, making this notion of Roe v. Wade a purely Feminazi movement completely wrong.

Feminists have made is very clear that they want to destory marriage and are dedicated to destroying the family. They have made this very clear in their quotes

Find me one.

 

[Trashionista]

"No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one." -- Interview with Simone de Beauvoir, "Sex, Society, and the Female Dilemma" Saturday Review, June 14, 1975, p.18

W]omen, like men, should not have to bear children.... The destruction of the biological family, never envisioned by Freud, will allow the emergence of new women and men, different from any people who have previously existed. ? Alison Jagger - Political Philosophies of Women's Liberation: Feminism and Philosophy (Totowa, NJ: Littlefield, Adams & Co. 1977)

"In order to raise children with equality, we must take them away from families and communally raise them" Dr. Mary Jo Bane, feminist and assistant professor of education at Wellesley College and associate director of the school's Center for Research on Woman -- Do I hear YFS / DSS / CPS here??

"The care of children ..is infinitely better left to the best trained practitioners of both sexes who have chosen it as a vocation...[This] would further undermine family structure while contributing to the freedom of women." Kate Millet, Sexual Politics 178-179

You do realize that feminists can disagree amongst each other? These entire movements were based upon dialogue and change - so you will have feminists who agree with the quotes you've posted and those who will not.

That's like putting some so-called radical quote by Malcolm X up and calling the entire civil rights movement crap. It can easily be refuted in an argument supported by a quote from Martin Luther King. Then, to stir the pot even more, I'll post a segment of a speech by Rev. Wright, add in some cherry picked Black Panthers mottos, then maybe sprinkle in a youtube appearance of Al Sharpton. How you can judge 4 quotes of women's rights, or 5 quotes on the black civil right's movement, as a representation on an ENTIRE movement is beyond me. But evidently, you've managed to.

Likewise, a quote by Simone de Beauvoir doesn't nessecarily jive with everything that Steinem would say. You can't use one activist's quote to decide that that is what the entire movement was, is, has been and will be.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

I don't doubt that. I didn't say that was impossible.

good, then take a look at its connection to the job force and where there are sometimes less women working. Its mainly because alot of women prefer to be homemakers. My wife is a homemaker and she gets tons of crap from feminists all the time about it. It hurts peoples marriages the attitude they give off to wives who prefer to stay home. A wife with children is the most honorable job a woman can do and feminists need to stop making homemakers feel like crap all the time.

I'm very sorry you still are unaware of what the difference is between a fact and an opinion or viewpoint based upon a fact.

oh, and what really is FACT. In its truest sense. Please tell me. Fact has to do with truth, and where does truth come from?

You do realize that it wasn't until after WWI in the UK that women were actually able to vote? That wasn't that long ago.
The Suffragettes were still feminists, despite what you seem to believe a feminist is.

most of the early suffragettes were not feminists in the sense that feminists are today. Most would look down on organizations like NOW and their support for abortion.

That's like asking why the NAACP still exists. There will still be racism, just as there is still sexism. The movement for female equality didn't end with The Feminine Mystique.

The feminist movement has gotton way out of hand and needs to be snuffed out. Like communism that had good intentions when it started it has turned into a disaster. 50% divorce rate, 60 million infants dead, hate speech, etc.

Communism isn't always bad. Have you actually read any of what Marx wrote? Or is your entire view of communism based upon Stalinist regimses? I agree, if you're basing Marxism on what Stalin did, then maybe Marxism isn't the greatest. But the Russian revolution wasn't really a Marxist revolution - not the way Marx envisioned. It could be argued that we haven't yet seen a true Marxist revolution.

Im glad you will never get into power. Statements like that are scary and re-enforce what feminist proproganda does to the minds of women today. I find it saddening you are falling for it. Please don't preach choice or equality when supporting communism or maxism. That is about as hypocritical as you can get.

I really wish you were aware of what you were talking about before you made such inane, unrelated comments, but it is quite entertaining.

and I feel sorry you have to support such a demonic movement that hates God and everything God represents.

Again, stop relying on Limbaugh for a view on modern feminists. That is not how all feminists feel.

You wanted quotes from your leaders, so you got them. They speak for themselves. The depraved breed the depraved.

Like the Marx issue, I have to question whether you've actually read any real, feminist writings. Is your entire view of feminists based on this NOW organization? What about Gloria Steiem, the Pankhursts, Susan B. Anthony, Betty Freiden? I have to wonder, if you're basing your understanding of Marx on Castro, Stalin, etc, perhaps you've also done this to the feminist movements?

Name 1 of those women who believes in God? Steinem and Freiden deny Christ, Anthony was against orthodox christianity. None of those people you listed really believed in God. What value do they speak from? they are on a one way course to hell

The fool hath said in his heart,
There is no God.Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity:there is none that doeth good. - Psalm 53


No I didn't.

I did mention that many great men have been wonderful influences upon me, but I don't discount the influence of great, educated women on my life, either. Whether they worked in public or in the home.

Do find that quote, I'd like to see it. Considering, I just went to an all-female school, the person who started me on the pathway to my future career and my studies was a woman, as well as the fact that my mother was always at home, I would like to see such a statement.

If you support abominable monsters like Gloria steinem and Freiden then you support people who are making great efforts at tearing down marriage and family.

If you're suggesting that 1973 was the third wave of feminism, I'd have to respectfully disagree. Women were not nearly in as much legislative power at that point, making this notion of Roe v. Wade a purely Feminazi movement completely wrong.

the feminazis pressured it into happening, and while the liberals had a great deal to do with it I would blame it mostly on the feminist movement and their creation of monsters like Margaret Sanguer

 

[Trashionista]

good, then take a look at its connection to the job force and where there are sometimes less women working.

Sadly, you offered no such link.
I actually did. Again, it's horrible that people are unaware of the not-so-subtle difference between an actual fact gathered from a survey or national concensus and a viewpoint based on their own opinions on what they may have seen.

It's a scientific fact that more women that men applied to med school during the 2003-04 period.
It's not a scientific fact that the job force has less women working because CreedinChrist thinks he may have seen that.

Its mainly because alot of women prefer to be homemakers.

I didn't say a lot of women didn't want to be homemakers, either. I'd really appreciate if you actually linked some of these thing you seem to think I've said.

My wife is a homemaker and she gets tons of crap from feminists all the time about it.

Well, given your attitudes on feminism, I can't possibly imagine why some feminists take issue with stay at home wives/mothers. Do you not think it could also be possible that some stay at home wives also look down upon Career Girls who sometimes want the Manolos and the career over running a household?

It hurts peoples marriages the attitude they give off to wives who prefer to stay home. A wife with children is the most honorable job a woman can do and feminists need to stop making homemakers feel like crap all the time.

Both are equally honourable, in my opinion.
Both sides however, give off horrible attitude to both sides.
But to blame any grief held by the home-maker population on feminists and the feminist movement is absolutely absurd.

oh, and what really is FACT. In its truest sense. Please tell me. Fact has to do with truth, and where does truth come from?

Things that can be proven, that are tangible. Science.
Your opinion on feminists isn't fact.

most of the early suffragettes were not feminists in the sense that feminists are today. Most would look down on organizations like NOW and their support for abortion.

How many suffragettes do you actually know who can verify this?
I had no idea you were having seances with the Pankhursts. That's pretty awesome, not going to lie.

The feminist movement has gotton way out of hand and needs to be snuffed out. Like communism that had good intentions when it started it has turned into a disaster. 50% divorce rate, 60 million infants dead, hate speech, etc.

It takes two people to be married. Therefore, it often takes two parties to run a marriage into the ground. Both male and female.

NeoNazis generally aren't very supportive of feminists, for one thing. So you can't blame hate speech purely on feminists.

Im glad you will never get into power.

Who's to say? I'm really chuffed, however, you aren't a fellow Canadian. And I doubt you're in San Francisco, New Orleans or New York City - the only cities I'd probably move to. So, you have little to fear.

Statements like that are scary and re-enforce what feminist proproganda does to the minds of women today.

So are questions like "What is a FACT?" and your mistaken views on Marx and the Suffrage movement.

I find it saddening you are falling for it.

Blame my mommy.

Please don't preach choice or equality when supporting communism or maxism. That is about as hypocritical as you can get.

You don't even know what Marxism is!
Seriously. I doubt you could name an actual communist leader until I brought up Castro or Stalin.

and I feel sorry you have to support such a demonic movement that hates God and everything God represents.

Communism doesn't mean everyone under rule is an antichrist.
And there are good things in communism, just as there are bad. There are examples of great monarchies and horrible monarchies, it doesn't make the entire system "flawed." Just the way it's applied.

If you're going to argue with someone who actually knows what they're talking about, please use Wikipedia and at least get a basic understanding. Lest someone like myself need to explain it and spoon-feed the simplest of terms to you.

You wanted quotes from your leaders, so you got them. They speak for themselves. The depraved breed the depraved.

And I responded with the Sharpton-MLK-Malcolm X- comment. What's your point?

Name 1 of those women who believes in God? Steinem and Freiden deny Christ, Anthony was against orthodox christianity. None of those people you listed really believed in God. What value do they speak from? they are on a one way course to hell

They may be atheists or non-Christians, but they're a lot smarter and more learned than you seem to be.

Ghandi also wasn't a Christian. Is he completely irrelevant too?

The fool hath said in his heart,

There is no God.Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity:there is none that doeth good. - Psalm 53

"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" - [Widely believed to be Mark Twain.]

"I pity the fool!..." - Mr. T

Throwing in a bible verse is not an argument. I will say the Twain quote is quite apropos in this case.

If you support abominable monsters like Gloria steinem and Freiden then you support people who are making great efforts at tearing down marriage and family.

And I highly doubt you knew who they actually were before I mentioned and you quickly searched on Wikipedia.

Communism, Karl Marx, Stalin, Mao, & Castro should probably be your next searches. It should help you in the future.

the feminazis pressured it into happening, and while the liberals had a great deal to do with it I would blame it mostly on the feminist movement and their creation of monsters like Margaret Sanguer

Well, the party you support so much that you felt the need to show it by your name, is responsible for the death of thousands of innocent Iraqis.
But I guess Iraqis are worth less that fetuses. Granted, I thought the entire argument you were trying to get me to see was that "All life is equal."
Seemingly, your ilk feel that "Unless you're an Iraqi civilian" is a suitable footnote to this argument.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Sadly, you offered no such link.
I actually did. Again, it's horrible that people are unaware of the not-so-subtle difference between an actual fact gathered from a survey or national concensus and a viewpoint based on their own opinions on what they may have seen.

I don't get too deep into the name it and claim it with folks of your ilk. Because any link tends to be ignored. If you are unaware that a vast amount of women are homemakers then you must live really far noth into Canada with little existence.

I didn't say a lot of women didn't want to be homemakers, either. I'd really appreciate if you actually linked some of these thing you seem to think I've said.

I never claimed that. Quit putting words into peoples mouths. You made an effort to claim that more jobs are men in the medical industry because of women oppression. Women today are just as free as men. I answered that a good reason is because alot of women prefer to be home and that is why there are lesser women doctors than men.

Well, given your attitudes on feminism, I can't possibly imagine why some feminists take issue with stay at home wives/mothers. Do you not think it could also be possible that some stay at home wives also look down upon Career Girls who sometimes want the Manolos and the career over running a household?

Im sorry but if the feminist movement is gonna demonize the honorable homemaker then they are gonna be looked down upon by the more honorable women of society.

Both are equally honourable, in my opinion.
Both sides however, give off horrible attitude to both sides.
But to blame any grief held by the home-maker population on feminists and the feminist movement is absolutely absurd.

Maybe you don't know the minds of many homemakers. Considering how young you are

Things that can be proven, that are tangible. Science.
Your opinion on feminists isn't fact.

And neither is the opinion of feminists, the problem is the enourmous amount of infant blood dripping on their shoulders. A fact you seem to love to ignore

How many suffragettes do you actually know who can verify this?
I had no idea you were having seances with the Pankhursts. That's pretty awesome, not going to lie.

I really don't care what a communist from england has to say. She has no bearing on truth

It takes two people to be married. Therefore, it often takes two parties to run a marriage into the ground. Both male and female.

yes, but when one of the partys is brainwashed with proproganda that hurts a marriage like feminism that actually changes the attitude and respect a woman has for her husband then its gonna have additional problems

NeoNazis generally aren't very supportive of feminists, for one thing. So you can't blame hate speech purely on feminists.

They come from the same source pretty much.

Who's to say? I'm really chuffed, however, you aren't a fellow Canadian. And I doubt you're in San Francisco, New Orleans or New York City - the only cities I'd probably move to. So, you have little to fear.

Yes, Canada, not much free speech there. Then again im sure you prefer that

So are questions like "What is a FACT?" and your mistaken views on Marx and the Suffrage movement.

All I have to do is look at the trail record of Marxs movement and the amount of bloodshed his system has caused. The "there hasn't been a "true" revolution" is hogwash. The system is horrible and people have suffered greatly because of it.

Blame my mommy.

your probably right there

You don't even know what Marxism is!
Seriously. I doubt you could name an actual communist leader until I brought up Castro or Stalin.

Please young child, I know what Marxism is and its fake utopia view of what a society should be, not to mention all its wonderful communist leaders it has created.

Mao ZeDong, Trotsky, Lenin.

You realize that every marxist leader has failed horribly right?

Communism doesn't mean everyone under rule is an antichrist.
And there are good things in communism, just as there are bad. There are examples of great monarchies and horrible monarchies, it doesn't make the entire system "flawed." Just the way it's applied.

Your wrong, again. Nearly every communist monarchy has failed horribly or led to a great depression in society. Its a violation of human rights through and through.

If you're going to argue with someone who actually knows what they're talking about, please use Wikipedia and at least get a basic understanding. Lest someone like myself need to explain it and spoon-feed the simplest of terms to you.

lol, please, your 21, you have little wisdom and your moral values are un-christian and immoral. Then you claim to be Catholic without even following what your own church says. Your a hypocrite and the only thing you have spoon fed is immorality, the murder of children, and communism. Your just a little young girl who think she knows everything by readin a couple books. Please.

And I responded with the Sharpton-MLK-Malcolm X- comment. What's your point?

I don't support either of those 2 people. what does that matter. that makes no sense

They may be atheists or non-Christians, but they're a lot smarter and more learned than you seem to be.

Ghandi also wasn't a Christian. Is he completely irrelevant too?

Good!

For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, "He is THE ONE WHO CATCHES THE WISE IN THEIR CRAFTINESS - 1 Corinthians 3:19

Describes this convo with you perfectly I think

"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" - [Widely believed to be Mark Twain.]

"I pity the fool!..." - Mr. T

Mr T. Quite fitting for you I guess.

Throwing in a bible verse is not an argument. I will say the Twain quote is quite apropos in this case.

Oh yes it does, and for someone Claiming to be a Catholic that is a sad thing to say and shows how little you value scripture or your own church and faith. Its christianforums by the way, not discoverychannel.

And I highly doubt you knew who they actually were before I mentioned and you quickly searched on Wikipedia.

lol. Uh oh is someone getting a little angry? People tend to attack the person rather than the subject at hand when they realize they don't have much else to offer..Also didn't your parents tell you to respect people older than you? You sound like someone who still lives with their parents

Communism, Karl Marx, Stalin, Mao, & Castro should probably be your next searches. It should help you in the future.

I'll stick with what God has to say, I don't trust the wisdom of men like you seem to do.

Well, the party you support so much that you felt the need to announce it responsible for the death of thousands of innocent Iraqis.
But I guess Iraqis are worth less that fetuses. Granted, I thought the entire argument you were trying to get me to see was that "All life is equal."
Seemingly, your ilk feel that "Unless you're an Iraqi civilian" is a suitable footnote to this argument.

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Nice Ad hominem. Stick to the topic please. Your just angry cause someone actually has pointed out your enourmous hypocrisy