What's the difference between Calvinism and Arminianism?

[Arcoe]

What's up with your font?

Do you not like it? It's called Palatino, nice looking, wouldn't you say?

 

[Skala]

It is wise to leave the intentions of the heart to God.

Cant...quite...read....

Dang, now I have a headache.

 

[guuila]

He wants to make sure you are focusing on what he is saying.

 

[guuila]

Do you not like it? It's called Palatino, nice looking, wouldn't you say?

If it doesn't change, I won't bother reading your responses. Not worth the effort.

 

[Arcoe]

Ok so we should believe Luke 13? Good to know.

What good will believing Luke 13 do, if you do not obey what it says?

 

[Arcoe]

If it doesn't change, I won't bother reading your responses. Not worth the effort.

Did you receive this decree from God?

 

[Charis kai Dunamis]

It is wise to leave the intentions of the heart to God.

Oh stop it, it was a joke.

 

[Arcoe]

Cant...quite...read....

Dang, now I have a headache.

You would be surprised what some can't read.

 

[Skala]

Do you not like it? It's called Palatino, nice looking, wouldn't you say?

There's nothing wrong with the font itself.

But you made the size too small. I can barely read it. It's like 2 pixels high on my screen.

 

[Arcoe]

Oh stop it, it was a joke.

That's why they have smiley faces. Use them appropriately.

 

[Arcoe]

There's nothing wrong with the font itself.

But you made the size too small. I can barely read it. It's like 2 pixels high on my screen.

I'm sorry about that. It looks the normal size on my screen. Let me see if I can fix it.

 

[elman]

When God sent Christ to die for our sins to save us, did He guarantee that Christ would be murdered to accomplish this plan?

Or did God (and by extension, us) just get lucky that some people happened to decide to murder Jesus?

You don't know the answer to your own question. Probably the answer is neither. God did not murder Jesus and did not get lucky Jesus was murdered.

 

[elman]

Ok, well I said your signature was unbiblical, and you said "Only if you pick and choose and reject parts of the Bible." so per your own admission, since you pick and choose and reject parts of the Bible, you must believe your signature was unbiblical. Logic.

No logic anywhere in that.

 

[Skala]

You don't know the answer to your own question. Probably the answer is neither. God did not murder Jesus and did not get lucky Jesus was murdered.

I didn't ask if God murdered Jesus

I asked if God guaranteed by divine decree and purpose that Christ would be murdered by other people.

So was Christ's death and our resulting salvation an accident (God got lucky?) or was it God's plan that could not possibly fail?

Which is it elman?

 

[elman]

=Jesusfreak5000;61968987]That's fine, but you have now removed the graciousness of the Gospel and added a requirement to it. It is a gracious gift, there is no merit or demerit, working or non-working in the reception.

You are accusing Peter of having added a requirement. Do you also accuse Jesus of adding a requirement when He said repent or perish?

You said you don't agree with Edwards if he is saying God is the cause of the sin. And I responded "then you must agree with him" - meaning he is not saying God is the cause of sin. I think you missed that.

Then who is he saying is the cause of sin?

However the ordination of God certainly does make all existence actual; nothing happens that was not ordained or decreed. This does not make God the direct cause of sin, however, it does mean He decided it would certainly happen.

You must recognize the logic of Edward's quote. Otherwise you deny omniscience.

I agree sin was no surprise to God. I do not agree God is evil, which God would be if the responsibility for sin was on God. God allowed man to sin. God did not decide for man to sin and make it happen. I do not recognize the omniscience of Edwards. I do recognize the logic of Edward's quote placing the blame for all sin on God.

 

[elman]

I didn't ask if God murdered Jesus

I asked if God guaranteed by divine decree and purpose that Christ would be murdered by other people.

So was Christ's death and our resulting salvation an accident (God got lucky?) or was it God's plan that could not possibly fail?

Which is it elman?

Was David innocent of murder simply because he did not personally do it, but guaranteed by order that the husband of Bathsheba would be murdered by other people? God is able to work out good from man's evil, but it is not God's evil when God does that.

 

[Skala]

Was David innocent of murder simply because he did not personally do it, but guaranteed by order that the husband of Bathsheba would be murdered by other people? God is able to work out good from man's evil, but it is not God's evil when God does that.

You refuse to answer the question because the obvious answer shoots holes in your theology, I'm afraid.

it's the big elephant in the room of Elmanism. Can't ignore it forever though.

 

[elman]

You refuse to answer the question because the obvious answer shoots holes in your theology, I'm afraid.

it's the big elephant in the room of Elmanism. Can't ignore it forever though.

You ignored my question which was exactly on point, because it points out the error of your statement.

 

[Skala]

You ignored my question which was exactly on point, because it points out the error of your statement.

Your question was stupid, frankly. You equated the way God works with the way a human works.

In the example you gave, there is no such thing as a divine decree. David is not God. He cannot divinely determine that something should come to pass.

Your response to my bringing up Acts 4:27-28 was juvenile. It's like you were saying "NUH UH, God cannot determine something cuz that's like when David told someone else to commit murder!"

The two are nothing alike.

 

[Charis kai Dunamis]

I agree sin was no surprise to God. I do not agree God is evil, which God would be if the responsibility for sin was on God. God allowed man to sin. God did not decide for man to sin and make it happen. I do not recognize the omniscience of Edwards. I do recognize the logic of Edward's quote placing the blame for all sin on God.

You simply haven't addressed his point. If God knows all prior to it happening, and approves of it, then He has decreed it. That is a logical, flowing statement. All you have posited is "I don't believe that". I would like to know what could possibly replace the logic in his statement.