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The culture of 19th century was one that approved of slavery, subjugated women, and engaged in ruthless imperialism. If that's what you call "Christian" I won't argue with you.
Hardly a ringing endorsement of the institution! Paul's letters make up the bulk of the New Testament. But in fact he wasn't the only one. There was also this guy, Jesus:
10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Matthew 19
Actually what Abraham and Sarah did was standard operating procedure at the time. Among Semitic peoples when an elite class women married she brought a handmaiden with her as part of her dowry. If she had no children or less than what was desired, this handmaiden served as her surrogate. When the handmaiden gave birth she would do so into the lap of the wife. The baby then became the legitimate child to the husband and legal wife. Jacob did the same thing. If you read the Bible you will find that he has children both from his two legal wives as well as their handmaidens, and the children of the handmaidens count as their mistresses own offspring.
The only thing unusual in Abraham's story is that Sarah wants to dump her adopted son once she has her own.
Jesus did not say it is better to not marry---His disciples did---Jesus said all men cannot receive this saying.
Jesus is not endorsing celibacy, except for those who've been called to it.
Sarah jumped the gun and did not have the faith to trust in God. It was her idea, not Abrahams, though he did not hesitate for long.
they both shoed a lack of faith for God had said
(Gen 18:10) And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him.
What Sarah then had to do was consented to by God
It was the first son, by Hagar, that was mocking and brought down this decision.
Oh, he is definitely endorsing it. He is just saying the same thing Paul said, "better to marry than to burn."
Celibacy in the New Testament is what Catholics like to call "a counsel of perfection."
At the time Sarah gave Hagar to Abraham no promise had been made to Sarah so there was nothing for her to have faith in. She just followed the custom of the time.
Ismael was already born two chapters earlier, so no his birth had nothing to do with a lack of faith.
No, what Sarah did was out of sheer jealousy. What Abraham did was consented by God.
Gee, he teased his little brother. Imagine that!
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The culture of 19th century was one that approved of slavery, subjugated women, and engaged in ruthless imperialism. If that's what you call "Christian" I won't argue with you.
We don't even consider Daniel a prophet, so our bar is not "can you translate".
"We --- Jews"?? Don't consider Daniel a prophet?? How did that happen?
He never spoke to the people. That was a requirement to be a prophet. The word navi, which is prophet, is about speaking not writing. All the people we consider prophets spoke. Daniel wrote. He isn't a prophet to us. Important, yes. Wrote about the future, yes. Not a prophet.
Khetuvim / Writings
14) Psalms (150)
15) Proverbs
16) Job
17) Song of Solomon
18) Ruth
19) Lamentations
20) Ecclesiastes
21) Esther (shorter version)
22) Daniel (12 chapters)
23) Ezra-Nehemiah
24) Chronicles (1&2)
I just don't get it. I can show you point for point that the doctrine of the Book of Mormon is the same as in the Bible. It is very clear that salvation comes throught the work of Jesus Christ. The BoM says there is no other name under heaven by which we must be saved. It also makes it clear that Jesus is God, even that it was through the power of Jesus that all things were created, meaning that Jesus was not a created being. I know the arguments against the BoM, but they all seem to be contrived and/or straw men. I love the Lord Jesus Christ, and I love the Book of Mormon. I am saved through the atoning work of Jesus Christ on the cross. Everything I believe outside of that are non-salvation issues. Unless you are saying that a wrong belief can negate salvation I don't understand how you can say that a belief in the BoM can negate salvation.
oops! -- I quoted the Book of Mormon on this thread...
In Mal 3 God said "I do not change".
In Heb 13 Christ "is the SAME yesterday today and forever".
in Gal 1:6-9
6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we (Apostles), or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!
I recall reading the book of Mormon, beginning in Nephi, I noticed that the book was telling the story from the time of Jeremiah from the perspective of a false prophet, the first inconsistency at that time was "all the prophets were preaching repentance" but according to Jeremiah the opposite was true. The inconsistencies were blatant to me so I read something else.
I think the issue more is, the book of mormon tells such a different story that a christian needs to first sidestep the thought that they're being lied to and then address what is being said.
http://www.christianforums.com/#_edn679811th century, Pope Gregory VII (A.D. 1073—85), policies were issued against translating the Bible, which was suppressed and held back by the clergy from the common people.[6275]
For example:
1 I, Nephi, having been born of goodly parents, therefore I was taught somewhat in all the learning of my father; and having seen many afflictions in the course of my days, nevertheless, having been highly favored of the Lord in all my days; yea, having had a great knowledge of the goodness and the mysteries of God, therefore I make a record of my proceedings in my days.
First noticed it is written in the first person.
According to biblical tradition, this sets up Nephi as an unreliable narrator, because he is exalting himself.
2 Yea, I make a record in the language of my father, which consists of the learning of the Jews and the language of the Egyptians.
That his father lived in Jerusalem all his days (verse 4) and spoke egyptian, is interesting, Is there any archaelogical or historical sociological data to explain this?
3 And I know that the record which I make is true; and I make it with mine own hand; and I make it according to my knowledge.
This sounds like Nephi is leaning on his own understanding.
4 For it came to pass in the commencement of the first year of the reign of Zedekiah, king of Judah, (my father, Lehi, having dwelt at Jerusalem in all his days); and in that same year there came many prophets, prophesying unto the people that they must repent, or the great city Jerusalem must be destroyed.
Jeremiah Chapter 1
1 The words of Jeremiah son of Hilkiah, one of the priests at Anathoth in the territory of Benjamin. 2 The word of the Lord came to him in the thirteenth year of the reign of Josiah son of Amon king of Judah, 3 and through the reign of Jehoiakim son of Josiah king of Judah, down to the fifth month of the eleventh year of Zedekiah son of Josiah king of Judah, when the people of Jerusalem went into exile.
Jeremiah Chapter 5
30 “A horrible and shocking thing
has happened in the land:
31 The prophets prophesy lies,
the priests rule by their own authority,
and my people love it this way.
But what will you do in the end?
I could continue, but it appears the historical account of the book of Mormon teaches counter to the bible on key points, morally and also in relation to getting the story straight. I would say the bible and the book of Mormon don't work together, they're telling different stories.
Your link doesn't work but I'm pretty sure the above in incorrect. What the Pope prohibited was the mass being said in the vernacular.
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