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MehGuy · Nov 25, 2017

Saucy said:
Music died when Kurt Cobain did.

Not sure about that, lol. What are you saying? That he was the last real innovator?

Saucy · Nov 25, 2017

MehGuy said:
Not sure about that, lol. What are you saying? That he was the last real innovator?

I think so. Well, then there wouldn't be the Foo Fighters. There's been some innovation, but music today is done by computers and fast beats. Hardly impressive.

MehGuy · Nov 25, 2017

Saucy said:
I think so. Well, then there wouldn't be the Foo Fighters. There's been some innovation, but music today is done by computers and fast beats. Hardly impressive.

Think you're forgetting about a lot of the less than mainstream music too.

alsughasoughaiuyfygh · Nov 25, 2017

Saucy said:
I think so. Well, then there wouldn't be the Foo Fighters. There's been some innovation, but music today is done by computers and fast beats. Hardly impressive.

Kind of like how movies today are no longer innovative because they use CGI instead of traditional special effects like makeup, puppetry, and doing dangerous stunts.

MehGuy · Nov 25, 2017

Not sure about that.. think CG has allowed movies to be made that wasn't possible prior. I agree films are stale, I just think that's due to only having so many stories one can tell.

alsughasoughaiuyfygh · Nov 25, 2017

MehGuy said:
Not sure about that.. think CG has allowed movies to be made that wasn't possible prior. I agree films are stale, I just think that's due to only having so many stories one can tell.

After thousands of years of story telling and over a century of cinema, we were bound to run out of fresh ideas sooner or later. Heck, my parent's, grandparent's, and great grandparent's days had all the best ideas. Our day just has all the best special effects.

Saucy · Nov 25, 2017

Stories are stale because they lean more on CGI and special effects than an actual story and plot. I mean, there's some plot, but they hope to wow us with graphics that they hope people forget about the boring, predictable plot and that cringeworthy kiss right in the middle of a disaster as if that really matters.

leothelioness · Nov 25, 2017

Saucy said:
I think so. Well, then there wouldn't be the Foo Fighters. There's been some innovation, but music today is done by computers and fast beats. Hardly impressive.

The state of the music industry today leaves me in tears.

alsughasoughaiuyfygh · Nov 25, 2017

Saucy said:
Stories are stale because they lean more on CGI and special effects than an actual story and plot. I mean, there's some plot, but they hope to wow us with graphics that they hope people forget about the boring, predictable plot and that cringeworthy kiss right in the middle of a disaster as if that really matters.

As much as I loved James Cameron's Avatar, I have to admit that the amazing visuals and action making up for the poor plot can also be said about pornography. I'm actually a little concerned that when the sequels finally come out, the novelty of the special effects won't be there and won't be anywhere near as successful as the first one.

Multifavs · Nov 25, 2017

I wonder if there's anyone else who prefers 2D animation in movies over 3D. Honestly, while 3D modeling does sound cool, there's something I really like about illustrated animation. Especially from the 90's and early 2000's.
That's why I'm a little sad to see that 2D animation seems to be dying out.

alsughasoughaiuyfygh · Nov 25, 2017

Multifavs said:
I wonder if there's anyone else who prefers 2D animation in movies over 3D. Honestly, while 3D modeling does sound cool, there's something I really like about illustrated animation. Especially from the 90's and early 2000's.
That's why I'm a little sad to see that 2D animation seems to be dying out.

It has already died out. The early 2000's was when it was declared that traditional animation in theaters was dead. Disney released a traditionally animated film called The Princess and the Frog in 2009 and they even acknowledged it was a huge risk for that reason alone.

I guess today's generation of kids watching animated films and TV series from our day would be like us watching Saturday morning cartoons from the 1970's.

MehGuy · Nov 25, 2017

Speaking of animation, I hate how most modern cartoons on television are done in flash. Makes them look incredibly cheap like card board cut outs.

alsughasoughaiuyfygh · Nov 25, 2017

MehGuy said:
Speaking of animation, I hate how most modern cartoons on television are done in flash. Makes them look incredibly cheap like card board cut outs.

It's much more efficient than doing it traditionally. According to voice actor Mel Blanc, back during the Golden Age of American cartoons it took a team of 125 animator 9 months to create a 7 minute cartoon. With Flash, you could do that with a single animator in less amount of time.

Multifavs · Nov 25, 2017

Wayholka said:
It has already died out. The early 2000's was when it was declared that traditional animation in theaters was dead. Disney released a traditionally animated film called The Princess and the Frog in 2009 and they even acknowledged it was a huge risk for that reason alone.

I guess today's generation of kids watching animated films and TV series from our day would be like us watching Saturday morning cartoons from the 1970's.

Aw. I never heard about that somehow. At least there are still some cartoons and anime in 2D, though I don't watch TV much now anyway.
Maybe I prefer 2D because that is what I would do myself, since I have no experience with 3D modeling (though I'd love to try it).

Multifavs · Nov 25, 2017

I guess the reason I don't watch TV anymore is because there's nothing I'm interested in. Everything I do like either I got tired of it, I saw every episode, or it's not on anymore. Pretty much all the new adult shows are obscene and the cartoons are not interesting to me, plus none of them are related to my favorite characters.

I know there have been some cartoons where the art style was certainly not the greatest and could have been way better. My dad often has said that I could do better than the official art.

MehGuy · Nov 25, 2017

Wayholka said:
It's much more efficient than doing it traditionally. According to voice actor Mel Blanc, back during the Golden Age of American cartoons it took a team of 125 animator 9 months to create a 7 minute cartoon. With Flash, you could do that with a single animator in less amount of time.

Yeah of course. Just sad that it degrades the quality so much.

Although depends on the show too.. South Park is still alright with it ironically.. even though the style of that show was intentionally done to look cheap.

alsughasoughaiuyfygh · Nov 25, 2017

Multifavs said:
Aw. I never heard about that somehow. At least there are still some cartoons and anime in 2D, though I don't watch TV much now anyway.
Maybe I prefer 2D because that is what I would do myself, since I have no experience with 3D modeling (though I'd love to try it).

Disney released Treasure Planet in 2002. It was a commercial failure and Disney did not attempt another theatrically released 2D animation movie until 2009.

DreamWorks released Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas in 2003 and it was also a commercial failure. It nearly bankrupted the company and thus they abandoned traditional animation in favor for CGI.

Famed animator Don Bluth released Titan AE in 2000 and it also became such a commercial failure that it really did bankrupt his film production company.

It's really sad to see something we grew up with go the way of the dodo but as time marches on, some opportunities die out making way for other opportunities to take their place.

alsughasoughaiuyfygh · Nov 25, 2017

MehGuy said:
Although depends on the show too.. South Park is still alright with it ironically.. even though the style of that show was intentionally done to look cheap.

Actually the pilot episode of South Park was done through stop motion using cardboard paper so it really was cheaply made. South Park was originally created as a college project by Matt Stone and Trey Parker before they decided they want to make a TV show out of it. After the show got the green light to go on air, they then used a piece of software called Autodesk Maya to create each episode. The animation style was so simple that they could create an entire episode in a single day.

MehGuy · Nov 25, 2017

Wayholka said:
Actually the pilot episode of South Park was done through stop motion using cardboard paper so it really was cheaply made. SouthPark was originally created as a college project by Matt Stone and Trey Parker before they decided they want to make a TV show out of it. After the show got the green light to go on air, they then used a piece of software called Autodesk Maya to create each episode. The animation style was so simple that they could create an entire episode in a single day.

I know. Just commentating that flash animation works for some shows at least.

Saucy · Nov 25, 2017

Boo Michigan lost. Welp, that's the end of college football! Broncos have a 3-7 record, so not much point in watching them either lol. Worst. Football. Season. Ever. lol

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