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<blockquote data-quote="skepticlogician" data-source="post: 66300659" data-attributes="member: 259929"><p>By all means, I don't mind at all.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>When you say genuine, do you by any chance mean I wasn't sincere and was just pretending? The only reason I ask is that all of these are synonims with the word genuine (you can look them up): sincere, honest, truthful, straightforward, direct, frank.</p><p></p><p>Also, what is the Biblical Standard for a true Christian, as you mentioned?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, what is this standard you talk about? And the reason I ask is that there isn't a unique Biblical standard that ALL christian denomiations agree upon, at least not that I'm aware of. Every single belief system presents a different standard... But please prove me wrong.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I absolutely agree. Personal experience is NOT an indicator of the 'divine-status' or not of the Bible.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Let's say I haven't, 'for whatever reason'... Have you?</p><p>Can you describe some of these tests you have put the Bible through which single it out as the word of God among 'ALL ancient literary works'?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What exactly to you mean by "innerrant"? Do you mean there isn't a single error or contradiction that can be found in the Bible?</p><p>And when you say "not based on any circular reasoning", I assume you mean that your belief in the Bible as the word of God isn't necessarily because that Bible says it is the word of God, correct?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For example, what kinds of truth-testing Standards have you subjected the Bible to?</p><p>And do you mean to say you have found ALL of the Bible teachings 100% accurate?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If I'm not mistaking you yourself stated that "Whether the Bible is true or not DOESNT depend on how a Person 'feels'", so I'm not sure how the proposition that the Bible provides a much better life grounded in great meaning, purpose, etc., can be an indicator of its status of "divinely inspired".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Honestly, I haven't yet done any research on Bible Prophecies and their fulfillment. I mean, I'm very well familiar with most if not all of these prophecies but I haven't gone deeply to figure out the time when they were written and compare it against the time they were supposed fulfilled. Have you done any research in that area? Please share.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That a person can be transformed through reading and following certain teachings found in a book doesn't necessarily make that book divinely inspired. If that was the case, then an endless number of books out there in the Self-Help industry should be considered divinely inspired, not to mention other religions' scriptures.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll get back to you on this one...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, Abiogenesis is currently a working hypotesis and not a fully fledged theory. Scientists acknowledged that they do not know for certain how life began in all its details...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And now you have completely left Abiogenesis and entered into Evolution territory, yet you don't seem to be aware of it in the least. Evolution is indeed a fully fledged scientific theory and a fact, amply confirmed and verified. It's not random, Natural Selection being one of its key motors, although I really doubt you are familiar with it, as is clearly evident when you say "random accidental mutations found a way to assemble it and kickstarted it into operation.". I'm am not an evolutionary biologist, but I will investigate whatever 'legitimate' issue you bring up about Evolution. And I emphasize the word 'legitimate' because there are a lot of very weak "arguments" out there that just expose the ignorance of whoever presents these arguments. I'm talking about things like "if evolution is true, why are there still monkeys", etc., which is pathetic.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Irony written all over the place.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I applaud the fact that you hinted on various occasions to having tested the Bible based on external sources, I now would like to see what kind of tests you are talking about.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="skepticlogician, post: 66300659, member: 259929"] By all means, I don't mind at all. When you say genuine, do you by any chance mean I wasn't sincere and was just pretending? The only reason I ask is that all of these are synonims with the word genuine (you can look them up): sincere, honest, truthful, straightforward, direct, frank. Also, what is the Biblical Standard for a true Christian, as you mentioned? Again, what is this standard you talk about? And the reason I ask is that there isn't a unique Biblical standard that ALL christian denomiations agree upon, at least not that I'm aware of. Every single belief system presents a different standard... But please prove me wrong. I absolutely agree. Personal experience is NOT an indicator of the 'divine-status' or not of the Bible. Let's say I haven't, 'for whatever reason'... Have you? Can you describe some of these tests you have put the Bible through which single it out as the word of God among 'ALL ancient literary works'? What exactly to you mean by "innerrant"? Do you mean there isn't a single error or contradiction that can be found in the Bible? And when you say "not based on any circular reasoning", I assume you mean that your belief in the Bible as the word of God isn't necessarily because that Bible says it is the word of God, correct? For example, what kinds of truth-testing Standards have you subjected the Bible to? And do you mean to say you have found ALL of the Bible teachings 100% accurate? If I'm not mistaking you yourself stated that "Whether the Bible is true or not DOESNT depend on how a Person 'feels'", so I'm not sure how the proposition that the Bible provides a much better life grounded in great meaning, purpose, etc., can be an indicator of its status of "divinely inspired". Honestly, I haven't yet done any research on Bible Prophecies and their fulfillment. I mean, I'm very well familiar with most if not all of these prophecies but I haven't gone deeply to figure out the time when they were written and compare it against the time they were supposed fulfilled. Have you done any research in that area? Please share. That a person can be transformed through reading and following certain teachings found in a book doesn't necessarily make that book divinely inspired. If that was the case, then an endless number of books out there in the Self-Help industry should be considered divinely inspired, not to mention other religions' scriptures. I'll get back to you on this one... Sure, Abiogenesis is currently a working hypotesis and not a fully fledged theory. Scientists acknowledged that they do not know for certain how life began in all its details... And now you have completely left Abiogenesis and entered into Evolution territory, yet you don't seem to be aware of it in the least. Evolution is indeed a fully fledged scientific theory and a fact, amply confirmed and verified. It's not random, Natural Selection being one of its key motors, although I really doubt you are familiar with it, as is clearly evident when you say "random accidental mutations found a way to assemble it and kickstarted it into operation.". I'm am not an evolutionary biologist, but I will investigate whatever 'legitimate' issue you bring up about Evolution. And I emphasize the word 'legitimate' because there are a lot of very weak "arguments" out there that just expose the ignorance of whoever presents these arguments. I'm talking about things like "if evolution is true, why are there still monkeys", etc., which is pathetic. Irony written all over the place. I applaud the fact that you hinted on various occasions to having tested the Bible based on external sources, I now would like to see what kind of tests you are talking about. [/QUOTE]
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