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As long as there are two or more choices in anything, somebody is going to take the second one, which is why we have 900 Christian and messianic denominations with different beliefs.
Yeshua's mother, Miriam was a cousin to Elisheva who was a daughter of Aaron. Her husband was also a priest. This means that John was of the priesthood by birth. Miriam passed this on to her son, Yeshua.
As a sidenote to those who like this kind of thing. John the Immerser's father, Zacariah was a priest that served in the eighth course as designated by King David as the one called Abiyah. 'Yah is my Father'. The very next course, the ninth, is called Yeshua.
Please show scripture which says Elizabeth was a Levite?
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Without the synagogue system, there was no gathering place for worship in the cities, unless you were in Jerusalem. While many in Messianic Judaism tie the Sabbath to Synagogue services, this was a later addition.
I have heard this said before, but can find no evidence of this relationship. Could you please share a source for this idea? Does it come from the KJV mistranslation of Luke 1:36?Yeshua's mother, Miriam was a cousin to Elisheva
I never read anywhere in Torah that there is a choice. Sorry, He did kind of give a choice but strongly suggested one over the other, "I set before you today, life and death. Choose ye, therefore, Life."
I never read anywhere in Torah that there is a choice. Sorry, He did kind of give a choice but strongly suggested one over the other, "I set before you today, life and death. Choose ye, therefore, Life."
Please show scripture which says Elizabeth was a Levite?
And please give your logic on how that proves Mary was also a Levite.
In the days of Herod, King of Y'hudah, there was a cohen named Z'kharyah who belonged to the Aviyah division. His wife was a descendant of Aharon, and her name was Elisheva.
"You have a relative, Elisheva, who is an old woman; and everyone says she is barren. But she has conceived a son and is six months pregnant!.................. Without delay, Miryam set out and hurried to the town in the hill country of Y'hudah
mishkan said:And how would you, as an outside observer, discern whether someone was following one or the other?
If someone was contemplating their naval in order to be at one withAnd how would you, as an outside observer, discern whether someone was following one or the other?
I think there is a difference between being "spiritual" and being a follower of the personal God of the Hebrews, whose name is YHWH.
Don't you?
In the days of Herod, King of Y'hudah, there was a cohen named Z'kharyah who belonged to the Aviyah division. His wife was a descendant of Aharon, and her name was Elisheva.
"You have a relative, Elisheva, who is an old woman; and everyone says she is barren. But she has conceived a son and is six months pregnant!.................. Without delay, Miryam set out and hurried to the town in the hill country of Y'hudah
Easy G (G²);59927123 said:As one ministry said best:
We find this in Luke 1:5, as scripture shows that Mary's Cousin Elizabeth is a Levite. Mary and Elizabeth's mothers were sisters. Below we see that Elizabeth was of the genealogy of Aaron. Aaron was a Levite (of Levi) and thus Elisabeth was of the tribe of Levi. Elisabeth's mother and Mary's mother were sisters and both Levites, thus Mary was of the tribe of Levi. Below we see that Zacharias (Elisabeth's husband) was a Levitical priest, and a Levitical Priest could only marry a full blood Levite woman if he was to perform duties in the Temple of God. In verse 8 below we see that Elisabeth's husband was indeed a practicing priest, therefore Elisabeth would have to have been a full blood Levite. And for Elizabeth to be a full blood Levite the her mother had to be a full blood Levite. Elizabeth's mother is the sister of Mary's mother and thus was also a full blood Levite. This documents that Mary was born of a full blood Levite woman......
Luke 1:5-9
5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. 7 And they had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren, and they both were now well stricken in years. 8 And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course, 9 According to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord. (KJV)
NOTE: Elizabeth and Zacharias were the mother and father of John The Baptist..
Another thread got derailed (big surprise!) and one of the underlying thoughts was what does it take to be a Messianic? What should one
do to differentiate it from Christianity?
In other words, what would most here consider the minimum one must
do to be considered Messianic?
I think the question should be is there a differentiation between a Messianic Jewish congregation and a reform/conservative synagogue. It's no accident that the likes of the MJAA and UMJC have affiliated synagogue's located in Jewish communities that also have reform/ conservative/ orthodox synagogue's. Mostly located in the big metros where there is more population of Jews.
Why? Because WE the Messianic synagogue are part of the same community as YOU the reform/conservative synagogue.
What's it take to involved in a Messianic Jewish community? The better question is 'what's it take not to be involved/ associated with a Messianic Jewish synagogue?' I see it all the time online. When you disassociate with the Jewish community you disassociate with both Messianic Judaism and Judaism, in other words you disassociate with the communities at a whole. By doing this, this is how you get a lot of funky doctrines primary from Hebrew Roots entities or splinter groups. I think the cause is not being socialized with the Jewish communities by choice or by location. I see a lot of these splinter groups are not located in Jewish communities because of location. Yes it's not their fault. FFOZ prior to their changing beliefs served believers who weren't located and/ not socialized in Jewish communities with study's, teachings etc that were very in line with Messianic Judaism.
In closing 'we the Messianic synagogue are part of the same community as you the reform/ conservative etc synagogue. This can apply even if you're not by physical location. That what it takes to be a Messianic Judaism.
Fair enough.I think I had a bit of a personal interest in the Reconstructionist issue and that is why I commented. I identify with a lot of their theology and I know I wouldn't appreciate it if someone was on the internet stating I don't believe in God. I have actually been accused of such and I do not like it one bit (ironically it's always when I'm discussing something I learned from an Orthodox source since some Christians feel they know all about Judaism and clearly what I'm saying has nothing to do with it). Just because a person doesn't relate to God exactly the same way you do doesn't mean they don't believe in God. Their lanauge may be entirely different and their way of connecting very different. That doesn't make them atheistic.
Fair enough.
So, as one who has looked into Recon with some real interest, do you think Recons believe in the personal God of the Hebrews, who created the world, relates to humans as a person, and gives us instructions to follow?
Why? Because WE the Messianic synagogue are part of the same community as YOU the reform/conservative synagogue.
I guess it all depends on how you want to look at it. Joseph was from the house of David.What make you think that Miriam was a descendent of Aaron?
The verse you quote doesn't say that.
And it is entirely possible for cousins to be from different tribes. A women from the tribe of Levi can marry a man of the tribe of Judah. Miriams father is of the tribe of Judah, so Miriam would be from the tribe of Judah.
It is likely that the linage in Luke is that of Miriam, which means Miriam is from the tribe of Judah.
Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come , saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper , and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. 6 In his days Judah shall be saved , and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called , THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Zech 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the L-RD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. 2 And the L-RD said unto Satan, The L-RD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the L-RD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? 3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, (as was Yeshua before Pilate) and stood before the angel. 4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying , Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said , Behold , I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment. 5 And I said , Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the L-RD stood by . 6 And the angel of the L-RD protested unto Joshua, saying , 7 Thus saith the L-RD of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by . 8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.
6:9 And the word of the L-RD came unto me, saying , 10 Take of them of the captivity, even of Heldai, of Tobijah, and of Jedaiah, which are come from Babylon, and come thou the same day, and go into the house of Josiah the son of Zephaniah; 11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest; 12 And speak unto him, saying , Thus speaketh the L-RD of hosts, saying , Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the L-RD: 13 Even he shall build the temple of the L-RD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
Chava is Orthodox. But anyway, exactly how are the Messianics a part of the same community as Reform/Conservative?
They are pretty clear that they do not believe God directly gave instructions to Israel or that he directs our lives on a daily basis. However all of this is irrelevent to your first comment. You claimed their official stance is that they do not believe in God. Chava and I have both told you that isn't true. That was my only point.
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