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Babymine

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What is happening in the Church these days? There are so many schisms, so many divisions- young versus old, traditional versus non tranditional, Christian versus, Christ Follower.
It's unbelievable, and not just in these forums, it's seeping heavily into all of the SDA churches, and it's so disappointing. We are ALL playing right into the devil's hands, getting hung up on minutae, stopping us dead in our tracks. Clouding what is most important which is God, and heaven. (we all do still believe in those two things dont we?)
When did EGW become more important than God? Why must I be anti-Christian? Why can't I be Pro God?
Way back in the day when this forum just opened up, I asked a question- why are there so many differences in the church? How can two people believe in things that stand in complete opposite to one another, and call themselves the same thing? I didnt post in here again until, I had the opportunity to witness about SDAism and had no idea what to say.
And today I still wouldnt know what to say, because I do not know what my church believes in. Only what I believe in, and that seems to be what is tearing all of us apart. Each believes his own thing.
What to do?
 

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Umm. They are the same thing..

Hey Dathen, Im with you. I am a Christian who is a Christ Follower, so you would think, well (I would and I do think)that they are the same thing. But these days, it is not what is being touted. Take a look at this:


Did you see the ANTI CHRISTIAN logo at the end of that "commercial"? Do you know that there are some SDA churches playing this commercial during the time after sabbath school and right before divine worship. Do you know that more, and more people will buy into this? That the divisions will grow and grow and grow. By admission of the people who create this film (who are not SDA, BTW)- the films are created to cause "tension" and be thought provoking. Is that how unity goes? Poking fun and being smug?
It's like there is a whirlwind bulldozer smashing the church. It's so upsetting.
 
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To all, good morning and happy Sabbath. It is a shame and I would even say a sin what is happening to the church today and it started a long time ago. As Seventh Day adventists we have been given a message for the end time and the Writings of Ellen White are part of that message. They were and still are a gift of God to lead us back to the bible and to give us understanding. I do believe we are in the shaking and both the scripture and spirit of prophecy tell us this would happen near the end of time. The divisions we see started when Mrs white was alive and will continue till Jesus comes. I have have learned we must be faithful to God till the end and that we must stand for truth though the heavens fall. I t is getting incresingly difficult to be fead in the local churchs but if we contiune in prayer and study we will show ourselves approved of God. We must learn by the spirit to discerne which battles to fight and when to let our example stand in the presence of others that the character of Christ will be a witness to others. Remember that we cannot convert others only the spirit of God can do that. We can plant the seed of truth and let God prevail in there heart. Its a shame that this forum cannot have a spirit of unity but but human nature wont allow that and that is why we see the problems that exist because many " christians" still have the old nature and not surrendered to the nature of Christ. Let us pray for our church knowing that Christ is at the door and will be coming soon.
 
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This is not an anti-Christian video or logo at the end. I am glad there are SDA churches playing this video. I will mention them in my blog this week. This is sponsered by Community Christian Church
They have some other video's also I just watched the self Baptism one. It was very good. the other videos are at http://www.communitychristian.org/play/playfav.html
 
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Hi babymine--I just viewed this video and found it stupid and absurd--there is no purpose in it other than--as you say--to cause strife and division.

Don't ppl have better things to do with their time and money?

What are the odds that if this film is being shown in SDA churches that it's the progressive ones! No sane SDA church would permit such trash to be shown on the Holy Sabbath day--let alone pollute the Sanctuary!

PS--I found that the supposed "Christ Follower" came off far more arrogant then the "Christian" did--down to the CF calling him a 'doofus"! Now how nice was that? And yet the message we are suppose to get from this farce is that the Christ Follower is superior to the Christian?? ROFL--What tripe!
 
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I found the video, quite strange. I didn't see a point or purpose to it, and I really don't see how that can be shown in churches. Obviously a Macintosh ad take off, but that just shows that Christian parade themselves about, and Christ followers are humble, a grave misunderstanding.

What is the point of showing that in Gods Holy Temple? To me that seems exactly the same sort of thing, that the buyers and sellers were doing in Jesus time in the Temple. The ones Jesus drove away and accused of profaning the temple.

Christian and Christ Follower are definately the same thing, humble. Though this ad demotes that fact, I don't see the point of it. If a Christian is like either of those characters, they obviously are an "outward" Christian and not a true "inward" Christian. As for the "Christian no longer" part at the end, is that implying that behaviour makes you no longer a Christian, seen though we arn't perfect, we're sinners?

I still stand strong as I would think all of you do that Christ follower really is just the definition of Christian, making them the same thing.
 
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Yes sir, you are correct, there is not an anti-christian logo, it is what that last screen feels like to me. I guess Christian No More means "Yay Jesus!!" to you?
The CCC is NOT the SDAC, and I think that is what matters the most. By their own admission, some of these films were made specifically to create dramatic tension. What in that is unifying? If you are looking to make something stronger, why in the world would you create tension.This is why it is clear as day to me that these films are not good or helpful in any way, they are merely destructive, divisive, and pretty much one of the most selfish messages you can get across. Im amazed that any church, but the one who created it, would play it.

If you don't do it like me, you're doing it wrong.

That is the implication of the message and it is just ridiculous. Simply and Thoroughly ridiculous.

I'm not looking to cause any MORE division in the church. Im not trying to "get people to my side", Im not looking to promote what I believe as better or more important as what anyone else believes. Im not looking to MOCK people. Im not looking to shed others in a bad light in order for me to look better. I'm not looking to promote my own version of SDAism. (Something tells me that while Babyminism has a catchy sound, the Lord would not be pleased.)
Maybe that is why I dont see the value in this commercial.

I think what shocks me more than anything, is that even though the church is virtually disintegrating before our eyes, there seems to be nothing looking to stop it, or slow it, or...anything. Im not sure at this point there is anything if this really is the shaking. It seems that every day there are more people building their own stages, to distract from God, and inject self. If there is one thing I can say that this commercial has taught me, its that I know for sure that I'm a Christ Following Christian or a Christian who is a Christ follower yes one of the two. Amen.
 
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My youngest son sabotaged my speakers, and they don't work anymore. I think he stuck a tongue depresser in one of them or something.

I did "watch" the video though, and saw the "CHRISTIAN NO MORE" at the end, which seemed pretty odd to me.

I think you're right Babymine, I think it's to cause more division. Now people will say "oh I'm not a Christian, I'm a Christ Follower....which is better."
 
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They probably mean that they call themselves a Christ follower rather than a Christian because of how the term Christian has been watered down to mean a person who belongs to a spiritual social club whereas a Christ follower is more defined as one who obeys Jesus. Just some thoughts...
 
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Could be. Like I said, I couldn't hear it. The message might've been that the word Christian has been watered down. I dunno.
 
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I finshed the blog article and will post it here since I know many are too afraid to visit my blog, heresy may rub off or something.

 
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Who owns the definition of who I am? I can assure you it is not a man, not a mere man who needs dictionaries to define things, and that would include me, Im not a man, but you get the point. I may own the way I carry myself, I may own a thought of what I think I am. But even then there is only one who knows all. He does not have to think about what something may be. He does not need a dictionary to define anything, and I pray every day that He will guide me in His will, not one that I have created for myself. (One of the most difficult things ever sometimes)

All this church business of this versus that within the church is extra. (to me)
And extra confusing. (to many)

Who owns the definition of me- only God, and I feel that if I am true to Him, true to myself in Him, and good to other people. What he defines me as will be ok.

And ultimately all that matters.
 
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