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it is not like the denomination seperates people
the denomination was made because a seperation was allready a reality
Denomination is man saying, "nice job on the whole church thing Jesus but I'm going to take over from here on out."
Okay maybe that's a really synical view haha, but I'm not a fan of denominations in the slightest.
The main reason that Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians don't consider themselves a denomination and as "the church" is their belief in Apostolic succession as what defines the church.
Since they belive that apostolic succession defines the church they can claim to be one the true church.
The problem I would have is a Lutheran is that we define church as a group of believers. So while I can state that my church has the true teachings of the Apostles, which I belive is true. I can not at the same time consider the Lutheran church the only church because we define church as a group of believers. We can only consider them heterodox churchs or churchs which are in error. Under our beliefs the most insulting thing I can say about protestant churchs is that they are heretics. Of course with Roman Catholics our forefathers where slightly more insulting. I myself have had difficulty with this and will rarely if ever refer to them as just "Catholics". Simplily because Catholic meaning universal would ceed to them that they are in fact the universal church. Which they are not, so I refer to them as Roman Catholic - a group of people within the Universal church. Our Evangelical catholic forefathers often had much more biting words to refer to the Roman Catholic Church.
Of course as such I consider Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians to have denominations. And as I stated before, it is interesting because Eastern Orthodoxy could actually be broken up into 15 denominations based on what Patriarch you are under.
However a Roman Catholic or the Orthodox can take Apostolic succession and they could not only refer to protestant groups as not even being churchs but they could also they could go as far as to consider them as not even being Christian. (Well the current Roman Catholic catecism states that we are Christians) They can by their own beliefs seperate themselves from the fold and term denomination.
As a side note I would be interested on the general Eastern Orthodox teaching on salvation status of the heterodox - Roman Catholics, Evengelical catholics, and Protestants. The Roman Catholic teaching is written in what I consider a purposefully unclear way, to which they probably would have better off saying "We don't know."
i guess that all depends on how you define denominationYou mean it is somehow a compromise, like a tool for uniting christians
Maybe. But are you sure that all denominations believe in one God?
Really, I'm not. That's why I'm out of any denomination
as stated before, the EO and RC do not view themselves as being a denomination
each one views themself as the Church
You mean it is somehow a compromise, like a tool for uniting christians
Maybe. But are you sure that all denominations believe in one God?
Really, I'm not. That's why I'm out of any denomination
Agreeing to disagree is not unity. Not going to a church because they make it clear what they believe is not unity among Christianity- it is nothing. Unity is only found in one faith and faith isn't a simple concept like 'everyone believes in Jesus'. Faith is a radical knowledge of God that brings people together and radically changes them. It requires the existence or real and false beliefs.
I'm well aware of the fact that denominations were/are started due to doctrinal differences. However, I think one's chosen denomination is often a matter of style. Do you prefer contemporary worship services, or do you prefer traditional worship services? Do you prefer to be part of a large and formally structured organization, or do you prefer to be part of a small community group? Answers to questions like these strike me as more likely to determine where the average church-goer attends than a particular approach to something like infant baptism.
Feel free to return to the Catholic Church at any time.
Well perhaps the average church goer should learn a little bit more about the differences and the doctrine.
Because I can tell you doctrine is the primary thing I look at in a church. Doctrine is why I left my last church, when for all other purposes I liked that church better.
Well perhaps the average church goer should learn a little bit more about the differences and the doctrine.
Because I can tell you doctrine is the primary thing I look at in a church. Doctrine is why I left my last church, when for all other purposes I liked that church better.
err how could I return to something that I never supported or claimed?
Well perhaps the average church goer should learn a little bit more about the differences and the doctrine.
Because I can tell you doctrine is the primary thing I look at in a church. Doctrine is why I left my last church, when for all other purposes I liked that church better.
To see this in the light of God, church here refers to the single one church by the name of the Lord Christ. Christ is head of the church; and we, Christians together make up the one body of the church. Should one hand of this body beat the other? There is only one church in the whole universe that is united in the name of the Lord. The mind and judgement of all ministries should be united because they are of the Lord. There should be no divisions which are the denominations you asked about. Church sermons should be the word of God which being edificated all by the Holy Spirit. There should be no other name for our church, but we should only lift up the name of Christ.
I don't think the average church goer is ignorant about differences in doctrine...I believe they don't care. St.Augustine said "In essentials,unity; in non-essentials,liberty; in all things,charity." I think the question is what does the average american church goer believe is "essential"? Perhaps the average church goer has a smaller list than you?
Well just as soon as everyone else is prepared to admit their varies heterodoxies and heresies and come to the faith as defined by the Unaltered Augsburg Confession and the Book of Concord then we'll all be one.
I doubt Augustine would have found the understanding of baptism or the teaching of what communion is to be non-essential. So therefore for true unity to take place there must be complete unity in things like this.
Personally I think the average church goer is either ignorant or just does not care about the differences. For far too many people they seem conscerned that the church teach "something about Jesus."
I doubt Augustine would have found the understanding of baptism or the teaching of what communion is to be non-essential. So therefore for true unity to take place there must be complete unity in things like this.
Personally I think the average church goer is either ignorant or just does not care about the differences. For far too many people they seem concerned that the church teach "something about Jesus."
Well just as soon as everyone else is prepared to admit their varies heterodoxies and heresies and come to the faith as defined by the Unaltered Augsburg Confession and the Book of Concord then we'll all be one.
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