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Whatever happened to fundamentalism?

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Susan

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Originally, "fundamentalism" meant a return to the basic beliefs of Christian faith.

It originally meant simply believing that the Bible was/is the inspired Word of God, that Jesus was born of a virgin and was God in human flesh, that Jesus died on the cross in the place of each person who would ever live as the only acceptable atonement for sin, that Jesus rose again from the dead, and that He will return again.

Fundamentalist belief was a reaction to extreme theological liberalism that denied those very truths.

Somewhere along the way, though, fundamentalism changed. Rather than remaining simply a movement for the preservation of the most important salvific theological truths in Christianity, it became inexorably linked in many forms with legalistic beliefs and practices, angry preachers, almost anti-intellectual followers, and condemnation of the lost for simply acting as lost persons act.

Politics then entered the picture. While some of the strictest of these fundamentalists avoided political involvement, many of us entered it in droves as it spoke to our need to "change society."

A non-Christian philosopher once stated something to the effect of "Be careful of what you choose to fight, you may become it."

Sadly, this is where we find ourselves as "fundamentalists" today. We are split into two camps.

The first is the strict legalists such as Fundamental Baptists (known as the IFB churches), the Pentecostal Faith/Holiness groups, and the followers of Bill Gothard. These are sadly persons who have been relegated to the fringe because of the usual "majoring on the minors" in such groups. For example, some denounce even Christian music, state that everyone outside of their brand of the Christian faith is either not walking with God or is even not a Christian, or practice such strict legalistic behavior that they repel anyone but their own followers.

The second are the less strict of us, who are mostly nondenominational, other Baptist, or Assemblies of God affiliated Pentecostals. The problem with us is that there is much crossover with the first group (leading to even the breakup of families when someone decides to, say, leave their church and even their family to follow the teachings of some small sect that shuns almost everything that exists)

Unfortunately, we share the very same tendencies to seek out absolute authorities on issues and obey what is said as long as the "authority" saying it is good enough and says that it is from the Bible. We say "if John Hagee/Jerry Falwell/George W. Bush/Henry Morris/insert your leader or organization of choice here said it, it must be true." There is an encouragement of this very mindset in the teaching that unity must be made at the expense of truth and individuality.

Most sadly, we have made the same exact error that we have reviled the "liberals" for: we have become politicized. Some of us even just vote the entire Republican slate and support Republicans no matter what they do, just as the liberals do for Democrats.

I do not want to "slam" any group of believers or anyone else. I simply want to suggest some reforms that would really help us reach the lost and concentrate on what is really important.

 

 
 

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The first such reform would be a return to maintaining the original 5 fundamentals as the only essentials. Most of us who are called Christians already subscribe to these, but just so you know:

1: The Bible is the inspired Word of God

2: Jesus was God in the flesh, born of the virgin Mary

3: Jesus died in your place on the cross as the only acceptable Atonement for your sins, and salvation is recieved by personally trusting in Him

4: Jesus rose from the grave literally and physically (not as a spirit being or as someone who had merely fainted)

5: Jesus will return some day, and not as another person. Meaning that He will come as He left (read Acts chapter 1) and that He will not return as a political leader or as a new "savior." (That would be the coming of the antichrist, not of Jesus)
 
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Another reform we could make is to focus on these truths as the only essentials, and leave everything else to Scripturally based, Spirit-led conviction on an individual basis through teaching, Bible reading, and prayer, and allow for free choice and independent thought on issues that the Bible does not speak to.

Basically, we should reserve our rebukes for those who deserve them: unrepentant and unashamed persons calling themselves "Christian" while conducting activities clearly defined as sin in the Bible, like murder, sexual sin, deceitfulness, or theft. When rebuking others or their sins, we should also remember that pride, arrogance, and outbursts of wrath are equally condemned as sin.
 
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Another reform we could make is to focus on these truths as the only essentials, and leave everything else to Scripturally based, Spirit-led conviction on an individual basis through teaching, Bible reading, and prayer, and allow for free choice and independent thought on issues that the Bible does not speak to.

Could you elaborate a little more on this please?
 
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Why? I said what I mean, and if I elaborate, I may say something that you would find as cause to turn this into a flamefest like the other threads.

I wanted to make people think about what true fundamentalism is, and some ways we could heal some of our wounds that have been incurred from, sadly, our own actions in many cases.

This may sound "liberal" to you, however I do not want to be remembered as a person who gets out the vote for a politician that did no eternal good. I don't want to be remembered as a person who has a strict family that is better than everyone else. I want to be remembered as someone who has unconditional love for others and shows God's mercy.

I'm not there yet, nor do I claim to be anywhere close to it yet. However I want the message of my life to be this: God loves you so much that He gave his life for you.
 
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If you as a believer and we as a church really want to establish a true "faith", and unify behind it... then I would suggest starting with Heb 6:1-3. Here are listed the 6 foundational (fundamental) doctrines/teachings of Christianity. Not only are they listed as to content, but they are listed as to priority. While most churches and denominations have the content, they miss when it comes to priority.

The 6 foundational doctrines of the Christian faith are:

Heb 6:1-2
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again:

  1. the foundation of repentance from dead works
  2. and of faith toward God, 
  3. Of the doctrine of baptisms, and
  4. of laying on of hands, and
  5. of resurrection of the dead, and
  6. of eternal judgment.

Derrick Prince has a very good study on this.

Also the Berean Online Bible School has a course based completely on these doctrines:

www.bereanonline.com

 
 
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I think the problem is that there are two reasons to "return to fundamentals". One is that they are being denied, the other is that other things are being asserted on top of them.

Thus, some portion of fundamentalism was a reaction to, e.g., Roman Catholic teachings, which include many statements about things well beyond the scope of the "fundamentals" you list.

I tend to be a fundamentalist in this sense, but often a liberal; I am very cautious in what beliefs I will form, because I would rather be uncertain of a questionable point than err out of excess enthusiasm.
 
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Originally posted by Susan


The first such reform would be a return to maintaining the original 5 fundamentals as the only essentials. Most of us who are called Christians already subscribe to these, but just so you know:

1: The Bible is the inspired Word of God

2: Jesus was God in the flesh, born of the virgin Mary

3: Jesus died in your place on the cross as the only acceptable Atonement for your sins, and salvation is recieved by personally trusting in Him

4: Jesus rose from the grave literally and physically (not as a spirit being or as someone who had merely fainted)

5: Jesus will return some day, and not as another person. Meaning that He will come as He left (read Acts chapter 1) and that He will not return as a political leader or as a new "savior." (That would be the coming of the antichrist, not of Jesus)

 

Another reform we could make is to focus on these truths as the only essentials, and leave everything else to Scripturally based, Spirit-led conviction on an individual basis through teaching, Bible reading, and prayer, and allow for free choice and independent thought on issues that the Bible does not speak to.


 

are you serious about this?  that's pretty terrifying.
 
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I think that there is a difference between what being a fundamentalist means in different cultures also.

Ive never met a fundamentalist in the UK who has a high level of political involvement we might pray about things or write to an MP to complain about things but it is pretty hard to find out what a poltical party stands for over hear.

All i knew of what being a fundamentalist was , was what susan posted at the start(1st post, 1st paragraph)

unfortunately it seems hard to find a christian that beleives that over here now, even among ministers.

so i praise God for my churches 1 at uni town 1 in home town)
 
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