Whatever Happened to Forever?

BobRyan · Apr 24, 2020

disciple Clint said:
Just a few examples John 5:18 Mark 3:1–5 Mark 7:5 Mark 7:19 Matthew 15:11 Leviticus 10:9 Mark 14:25 Mark 2:25-26 Matt 12:8-14

None of those show Christ breaking the LAW of God - only the tradition of the Jews.

In Mark 7:6-13 Christ condemns the Jews for using their tradition to break the Law of God.

disciple Clint · Apr 24, 2020

BobRyan said:
Then in your teaching - He was a sinner. His enemies constantly accused Him of sin against God's Law.

"SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

And the Bible says He never sinned.

Heb 4
15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.

2 Cor 5:
21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Christ's atoning sacrifice was a perfect, spotless , sinless sacrifice

No He is and was not a sinner which is clear in Scripture.

disciple Clint · Apr 24, 2020

BobRyan said:
None of those show Christ breaking the LAW of God - only the tradition of the Jews.

In Mark 7:6-13 Christ condemns the Jews for using their tradition to break the Law of God.

John 5:18

HARK! · Apr 24, 2020

disciple Clint said:
No He is and was not a sinner which is clear in Scripture.

Then he didn't break the law.

Sin is transgression of the law.

disciple Clint · Apr 24, 2020

HARK! said:
Then he didn't break the law.

Sin is transgression of the law.

Sin is a transgression of God's Law, NOT man's law or man's interpretation of God's Law or what man thinks it should be.

HARK! · Apr 24, 2020

disciple Clint said:
Sin is a transgression of God's Law, NOT man's law or man's interpretation of God's Law or what man thinks it should be.

Exodus 31
12 YHWH said to Moshe, 13 Tell the people of Isra’el, ‘You are to observe my Shabbats; for this is a sign between me and you through all your generations; so that you will know that I am YHWH, who sets you apart for me. 17 It is a sign between me and the people of Isra’el forever; for in six days ADONAI made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day he stopped working and rested.’

HARK! · Apr 24, 2020

disciple Clint said:
John 5:18

He was falsely accused. Are you standing with the false accusers?

Minister Monardo · Apr 24, 2020

New heaven, new earth, new covenant. No death. No sacrifice.
Genesis 8:22. While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

Jeremiah 33:25. Thus says the Lord: ‘If My covenant is not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth, then I will cast away the descendants of Jacob and David My servant, so that I will not take any of his descendants to be rulers over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. For I will cause their captives to return, and will have mercy on them.’ ”

Revelation 21:1-5. Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”

2 Peter 3:13. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

2 Corinthians 5:17. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

1 John 5:20. And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
John 17:3. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Eternal Life. Forever.

Minister Monardo · Apr 24, 2020

HARK! said:
Exodus 31
12 YHWH said to Moshe, 13 Tell the people of Isra’el, ‘You are to observe my Shabbats; for this is a sign between me and you through all your generations; so that you will know that I am YHWH, who sets you apart for me. 17 It is a sign between me and the people of Isra’el forever; for in six days ADONAI made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day he stopped working and rested.’

For as long as This Heaven and this earth remain. Let them that have ears, hear what the Spirit is saying.

HARK! · Apr 24, 2020

(CLV) Isa 66:23
And it will come to be, as often as the new moon comes in its monthly time, And as often as the sabbath comes in its sabbath cycle, All flesh shall come to worship before Me, says Yahweh.

Minister Monardo · Apr 24, 2020

HARK! said:
(CLV) Isa 66:23
And it will come to be, as often as the new moon comes in its monthly time, And as often as the sabbath comes in its sabbath cycle, All flesh shall come to worship before Me, says Yahweh.

Revelation 21:23. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
There is an age to come where there will be no sun, nor new moon. All Glory. Forever.

HARK! · Apr 24, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
Revelation 21:23. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
There is an age to come where there will be no sun, nor new moon. All Glory. Forever.

The moon is still here my friend.

disciple Clint · Apr 24, 2020

HARK! said:
He was falsely accused. Are you standing with the false accusers?

not at all

HARK! · Apr 24, 2020

disciple Clint said:
not at all

You can't have it both ways.

See: Law of noncontradiction - Wikipedia

Minister Monardo · Apr 25, 2020

HARK! said:
The moon is still here my friend.

Thanks, I was wondering. However, the forever I look for will have no moon, and NO FLESH.

Minister Monardo · Apr 25, 2020

HARK! said:
(CLV) Isa 66:23
And it will come to be, as often as the new moon comes in its monthly time, And as often as the sabbath comes in its sabbath cycle, All flesh shall come to worship before Me, says Yahweh.

John 5:39. Search the scriptures; for in them you think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
1 John 5:11. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
Colossians 3:3. For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
Isaiah 64:4. For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.
Human eyes have seen the glory of an earthly temple, with the glory. Eyes of prophets have seen the glory that could have come to the second temple, had true repentance resulted from the captivity.
But now we wait for a NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH, that no eye has seen.

Minister Monardo · Apr 25, 2020

Ezekiel saw a temple that could have been, but never came to be. He did not see the city New Jerusalem, that John saw, coming down from heaven with no temple.

NBB · Apr 25, 2020

You would think the nt would of have to be more clear about this if it was so important, actually what it seems clear is that we don't need to keep the sabbath, if you take verses literally.

So when people go to the other side, God would tell them: you got confused by the very same bible, so now go to hell for not keeping the sabbath??

ALso the Holy spirit doesn't get offended when you don't keep the sabbath.

martymonster · Apr 25, 2020

HARK! said:
Exodus 31
12 YHWH said to Moshe, 13 Tell the people of Isra’el, ‘You are to observe my Shabbats; for this is a sign between me and you through all your generations; so that you will know that I am YHWH, who sets you apart for me. 17 It is a sign between me and the people of Isra’el forever; for in six days ADONAI made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day he stopped working and rested.’

Christ is the fulfilment of the law.
SHABBAT SHALOM!

Strong in Him · Apr 25, 2020

HARK! said:
Exodus 31
12 YHWH said to Moshe, 13 Tell the people of Isra’el, ‘You are to observe my Shabbats; for this is a sign between me and you through all your generations; so that you will know that I am YHWH, who sets you apart for me. 17 It is a sign between me and the people of Isra’el forever; for in six days ADONAI made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day he stopped working and rested.’

You've answered your own question: God said, ' tell the people of ISRAEL".
I'm a Christian.

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