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burrow_owl said:'Won't someone plllllease think about the children?' The notion that children somehow deserve more moral weight than adults irks to me no end (see, eg: the recent terrorist thing in Russia).
As if adults have had a choice in dying? And it's precisely children's lack of fulfillment of potential that, to me, seems to make the loss of children's lives less tragic than the death of adults. Adults have families, friends, ambitions, and it's the consciousness of all these that make adult lives at least as precious as infants' lives. After all, what is potential if you're not aware of it? One might be able to argue that infants have some nascent sense of their potential, but one will never be argue that they have more awareness of their own potential than an adult.newlamb said:Also, from the idea that children have had no choice in dying and have not fulfilled the potential of their lives.
I'm sure it does. But even coming from you, dude, that's pretty cold.burrow_owl said:'Won't someone plllllease think about the children?' The notion that children somehow deserve more moral weight than adults irks to me no end (see, eg: the recent terrorist thing in Russia).
Mourning and grief are very complex reactions, and I don't think it has anything at all to do with worth per se. It is said that grief over the loss of a child is far greater than over the loss of any other relative. For innocent children to be starved, deprived of water, forced to drink their own urine, and then senselessly massacred as they were in Russia is generally considered morally outrageous and repugnant.burrow_owl said:To put it differntly: what is it when we mourn a lost child: we mourn a potentiality. In other words, we mourn an abstraction. When we mourn an adult, we mourn a person, with a personality. It's the difference between an empty (although important) concept and a particular entity. Y'see why I find it bizarre that we spend more energy on the former than the latter? I think it tells us far more about our semiotic systems than it does about the relative worth of the two. There's something symbolically important about the potentiality of humanity; but it seems coarse to me to confuse the symbolic order with the order of the real.
Perhaps it's not the perceived difference in moral weight between loss of children vis-à-vis adults that is irking you so much. Could it be, perhaps, your political views towards the likelihood of Russia aligning itself with the U.S. to fight militant Islamists that disturbs you?burrow_owl said:'Won't someone plllllease think about the children?' The notion that children somehow deserve more moral weight than adults irks to me no end (see, eg: the recent terrorist thing in Russia).
Obviously spoken by someone who isn't a parent. Children DO have personalities and ARE people from the first day of their birth. My daughter was a person with a personality when she was born last year. She's even more of one now. She likes being chased. She loves toys that make sounds and light. She's scared of loud noises. She wants to be read to much of the time.when we mourn a lost child: we mourn a potentiality. In other words, we mourn an abstraction. When we mourn an adult, we mourn a person, with a personality.
All4one said:I just wanted to open a talk where everyone tells something they cannot stand regarding morality. Not just that but also explain why.
This is not a hate column but a way for others to see peoples view on certain things happening in the world today.
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One would need to have a modicum of morality and empathy to understand the outrage over this horrible crime that happened in Russia. An absence of morality, guilt and empathy is typical of sociopathic behavior, or anti-social personality disorder.'Won't someone plllllease think about the children?' The notion that children somehow deserve more moral weight than adults irks to me no end (see, eg: the recent terrorist thing in Russia).
Whoah, there, Freud. I didn't say children are worthless; I just said it's odd that children are valued more highly than adults.Lorena said:One would need to have a modicum of morality and empathy to understand the outrage over this horrible crime that happened in Russia. An absence of morality, guilt and empathy is typical of sociopathic behavior, or anti-social personality disorder.
Why would this be? If it's because 'they had so much potential', then it proves my point: they're valued to the extent that they don't have fully realized personalities. If we mourn the potential, we mourn that-which-is-not. What's that if not an abstraction?[/QUOTE]Whoah, there, Freud. I didn't say children are worthless; I just said it's odd that children are valued more highly than adults.
Is it the 'innocence'? First, I find that a dubious notion. Second, why would we value 'innocence' so highly? Isn't the morally important part about adults precisely that they've been weathered by life and learned lessons and so on?
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