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What you aren't being told about astronomy

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Not according to Spike's video. Yes, there are several theories, but they all have problems. The recession problem is just one of them. In a sentence, how to you answer that particular point?
The Moon's recession is due to transfer of angular momentum as a consequence of tidal friction in the Earth's seas.
 
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It does in these astronomy videos. The point that Spike makes right at the beginning is that he is only using the term because secular astronomers often use it in that way (to mean change over time). He then provides some examples, which I quoted.
'Evolution is the wrong word here, but I think I know what you and Psarris mean by it. It might be better to say something like 'Astrophysicists say, etc.', or 'Scientists say, etc.'.

Mr. Psarris does have to be qualified. Astronomy is a very large subject, which needs many years of study. People who try to talk about astronomy without a thorough education in it merely show off their own ignorance. This is particularly true of people who have an axe to grind, as Mr. Psarris does.

This is irrelevant. We are discussing anomalies in the solar system, not dark matter and dark energy or the origin of the universe. Stick to the point.

Since they have rejected God as a possible explanation, they just have ever more wild and speculative guesses to try to explain everything, "always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth" as 2Ti 3:7 tells us.

You are quite right. I have rejected God as a possible explanation for physical phenomena, and have never regretted it; in many years of studying astronomy, I have yet to find a phenomenon that has failed to yield, at least in part, to natural explanation. In my experience, bringing in the supernatural merely leads to confusion.
 
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Speciation beyond bacteria is a speculation, not an observed fact.
It has been observed in both plants and animals. See the link I provided.
Speciation of bacteria is only observed in laboratory. It is not observed in the field.
Speciation in bacteria is problematic, since they do not usually reproduce sexually.
If you care to get into details, I will be with you until I can not handle the knowledge any more.
It is apparent that you are already unable to handle the knowledge.

In any case, the science under discussion in this thread is astronomy.

 
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"Evolution is only what I say it is". Not really.

There are 6 types of evolution, more if you count separate theories.

1. Cosmic evolution
2. Chemical evolution
3. Stellar evolution
4. Organic evolution
5. macro-evolution
6. micro-evolution (adaptation)

6 is the only actual scientific evolution.
the rest are fairy tales.
 
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"Evolution is only what I say it is". Not really.

Nah. If the source in the OP wasn't intentionally trying to deceive, he'd have called it stellar evolution and not simply evolution.

Guy's a liar. Drop him like a bad habit.
 
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On a more specific note, this is your second post in this particular thread. And thus far you've not proven you know anything other than to write condemning personal attacks against the OP.
If you wish to be taken seriously maybe stop with the childish name calling and allusions that you know something and prove it.
 
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I'm assuming you're pulling this list from somewhere like CreationToday.org. Something akin to this:

Cosmic evolution: the origin of time, space, and matter from nothing in the “big bang”
Chemical evolution: all elements “evolved” from hydrogen
Stellar evolution: stars and planets formed from gas clouds
Organic evolution: life begins from inanimate matter
Macro-evolution: animals and plants change from one type into another
Micro-evolution: variations form within the “kind”

Out of those, while a lot of people use the word "evolution" in this way, it's usually a colloquial shorthand for something else. For example, "organic evolution" isn't actually a thing. The proper term is "abiogenesis". Likewise, "stellar evolution" is a colloquialism often used when someone discusses Stellar Formation. Stars are individual objects - they do not evolve in a scientific Theory of Evolution sort of way. And I've never even heard of someone talking about "chemical evolution". That makes pretty much no sense to me. Chemicals and elements don't evolve, they combine or break down. And "cosmic evolution" is just Cosmology.

Which kind of just leaves the last two. Both of which are contained in the Scientific Theory of Evolution.

-J
 
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WHAT YOU AREN’T BEING TOLD ABOUT MERCURY
Evolution says it can’t be dense, but it is.

Statements like this are why we need to start giving awards to the most stupid things said on this board. This is absolute gold.

For what it's worth, I didn't read past this comment. My brain wasn't going to allow it.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Statements like this are why we need to start giving awards to the most stupid things said on this board. This is absolute gold.

The entire summary is basically "This is what science says, but it's wrong. Checkmate, experts"
 
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What you aren't hearing about agnosticism. Despite the increase, influence and popularity of secular humanism within the physical and life sciences through the last few centuries. A modern version of agnosticism is increasing and influencing more and more people. It's the type of worldview that can influence both Christian and Atheist alike when it comes to making conclusions about the tommorrowland of what pure science can predict.
 
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"Evolution" is a biological theory, and has nothing to do with planetary formation, so no, evolution doesn't say the things you claim it says. [/thread]
 
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Incorrect

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

However, even if true, so what? If it's possible in the lab, it's possible in the field. The crux of the Creationist position is that it shouldn't be possible at all.
 
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It sure sounds like Spike Psarris is into creation science. You should check him out more carefully, especially his credentials. And yes, the term "evolution" can be and is applied to the cosmos. In fact, the whole universe can be viewed as a huge organism. And no, it would be very difficult to observe evolution in the lab, except with bacteria. You would have to have a lab and an observer that lasted for millions of years. In Russia, they have been experimenting to see if you can change a fox into a dog. this research ahs been gong on since about 1950. They have gotten some very interesting results so far, but still have a ways to go. That's what I mean when I say it would take a long, long laboratory experiment. Anyhow, what creation-science people fail to mention is that no one ever directly observed God creating the world in six days either.
 
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OK, I checked out Spike Psarris. Totally bogus source. BA in electrical engineering. Sorry, not near enough credentials to swim with the sharks in these waters. To get my attention, you would have to show at least a Ph.D. and evidence of scientific publication in peer-reviewed journals. Spike is just another rather entertaining conspiracy theorists about the space program, much like Bob Lazar.
 
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This may be true for one incidence, such as God, or Dark energy. But it is certainly very very doubtful for millions of incidences that all assumed to follow the same mechanism and the same path. Think about what biological evolution is trying to explain: from trilobite to human. If this is not a kind of faith, I don't know what

No, in that sense, even one or two actual observations would be way insufficient. Needless to say none.
 
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Notice how those who support secular views immediately pounced on this term and tried to ridicule Spike for

Christians as well, I think you'll find.

Spike is not being criticised because atheists are big meanies but that Spike is wrong and both the religious and the non-religious can see that.

You can't play the atheist bully card, just yet.
 
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The theory of evolution is restricted to the field of biology. More specifically, biological diversity and development as it applies on this planet.

Any problem with the title of this textbook?
 
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