Let's say I accepted the theory of evolution, but made a few creative changes to it. Then I go around with my theory of evolution claiming it is the same as your's. Would you have a problem with it?
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Northern Christian said:
Yes. Evolution as a scientific theory is defined and exists objectively. Same way you can't call chairs tomatos and be correct, you cannot call something that is not evolution evolution and still be correct.
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Northern Christian said:
Can you give an example of the kind of change you mean? Otherwise I can't truthfully answer the question.
If it was a fundamental change to the theory, such as an alternative mechanism to selection, then I would say it is not the same thing.
If you're talking about differences in common ancestry, I'd probably say it was the same theory.
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Well, yeah, you can't just make up science on the fly. It needs supporting evidence and needs to be in line with the scientific method, which is why a lot of "creation science" doesn't usually fare so well.Northern Christian said:
There are small tweaks like the neutral theory of molecular evolution and PE, and then there are big differences like Lamarkianism. If what you're talking about involves ignoring or contradicting existing data, like the age of the Earth and the fact of speciation, then it probably wouldn't do very well. Give me an example of what you're talking about and let's see.
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Northern Christian said:
how does one creatively redefine a theory which is ill defined to begin with, "allele frequency changes over time" conveys nothing to the thinking truth seeker other than absurdism
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If you don't know what it means to have changes in allele frequencies over time then perhaps you should try to comprehend it before calling it poorly defined. It's pretty self-explanatory. Frequencies of various forms of traits in a population will shift overtime due to mutations, natural selection, etc.
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Lucretius said:
fair enough,but it reveals nothing about how these traits came into being to begin with and where they are going
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Northern christian,
Are you trying to 'have a go' at those among us who accept modern scienctific theories yet say they are christian like you are?
Are you trying to 'have a go' at those among us who accept modern scienctific theories yet say they are christian like you are?
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truth above all else said:
Because that's not the question it was meant to answer. If you expect evolution to be some sort of unified theory of everything, I'm afraid you're in for a disappointment.
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truth above all else said:
You are right. Evolution simply sais that alleles, and so the creatures that are based on them, change over time.
The Theory of Evolution attempts to explain how this happens, as well as making predictions. (Which is why it is a theory.) Furthermore, these predictions corelate with existing as well as newly discovered evidence. (Which makes it an Scientific Theory.)
There are many different ways that you can try to explain Evolution, some are crap, some are good. One of these, Darwinian Evolution, uses Mutation, Genetic Drift, Natural Selection etc. to explain Evolution.
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truth above all else said:
the traits come into being through mutation and allelic mixing. it doesn't claim to know where they are going, that is dependant upon the environment, and future mutations and mixes of alleles.
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Northern Christian said:
Well, anyone who changes the ToE to something it's not doesn't usually fare well with the scientific world. Look at Kent Hovind! He's as loony as they come and his definition consists of other theories and rocks procreating dogs.
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Northern Christian said:
Nope, why would I have a problem with that? We could discuss it, for the fun of discussion, but to learn from each other as well....
I think it is great that people are creative in their own mind...that is part of freedom
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Sorry but scientific theories are not the same as religious beliefs. That is why you can have many different interpretations of the latter, since you cannot proof or disprove any of them. In science, however, theories can be proven wrong.Northern Christian said:
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Well, if you changed it then it would be rather silly to claim it was the same. And anyone can change any theory- all they need is data and a superior theory.Northern Christian said:
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