What would option 3 look like

[J4Jesus]

Hmmm... I think Erwin has a great deal to read and to think about... it seems unlikely that we shall egt any early decision even on this pathetic poll , let alone whatever comes next... too many cooks, too amny vested interests, not enough love.... a recipe for headaches, not swift decisions....

Still it is clear to me that no-one can take anything from the poll except that it should never have been made... option 3 emerges quite strongly from the comments people made and even from those who abstained from taking the flawed vote ... unsurprisinly most people want things to stay much as they are, but someone to magically make everyone more loving to each other [leaving the name and outreach the same , or even improving outreach, but not reducing it]

Erwin sems so very harrangued taht it is anyone's guess what will happen , I think the poll itself shows his desperation and inability to discern taht Jesus ahs the answer in simply using scripture and love as the law here...as in gd's kingdom come... some people like the idea a lot, most cannot envision how it would work... Jesus at least has confidence in it as a way to perfection... I don't think that Erwin will even take it seriously somehow....

I think he was really concerned about all this and how the site was doing. Its a major thing for this many people. I wouldn't want that responsiblity but God gave it to him. If he said he will read them then he will, and consider these opinions and make his decision what to do. It will be soon

 

[stranger]

Yay, may God bless our Erwin with the wisdom of Solomon to choose love as Jesus does as the way to rule and serve God , as the law here too...

 

[J4Jesus]

I like the Nicene Creed but don't think this should be the base on who is Christian and who isn't. We are not to judge others. God knows everyone's heart and to say you believe this and this and this but this and this are wrong is in my belief the main cause of the division among us in the first place.

That's true because believing the Nicene Creed does not make a person a Christian, but a Christian would believe what the Nicene Creed says. There is a huge difference. To become a Christian a person needs to repent ( turn from sin), confess with their mouth that Jesus is their Lord, believe in their heart God raised Him from the dead, and they will be saved. (Lk 13:5, Rom 10:9)

 

[J4Jesus]

According to Erwin he would read all the posts here in this thread. Of course he said that when it was only half it's current size!

He probably didn't think it would be this long but really there are some rabbit trails on here He could always close this and then read it so it won't get longer After all the poll was to end on the 3rd.

 

[Inan3]

That's true because believing the Nicene Creed does not make a person a Christian, but a Christian would believe what the Nicene Creed says. There is a huge difference. To become a Christian a person needs to repent ( turn from sin), confess with their mouth that Jesus is their Lord, believe in their heart God raised Him from the dead, and they will be saved. (Lk 13:5, Rom 10:9)

Hallelujah!

 

[stranger]

That's true because believing the Nicene Creed does not make a person a Christian, but a Christian would believe what the Nicene Creed says. There is a huge difference. To become a Christian a person needs to repent ( turn from sin), confess with their mouth that Jesus is their Lord, believe in their heart God raised Him from the dead, and they will be saved. (Lk 13:5, Rom 10:9)

Just like the 'Nicene creed' , that ain't enough either ... not least faith does not come from ourselves , so it ain't up to us when we believe and come to obey Jesus as Lord and so stop sinning .; stop breaking his command as lord...

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

equally one does not repent [in fact cannot repent fully] until AFTER spirt baptism to know all truth and all prophecy [John 16:13] :-

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Clearly most christians do NOT know all truth... christians are deeply divided about what the truth even is ! ... and most christians do NOT know what is to come either, so they have clearly not received what Jesus promised in scripture to his true followers :-

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Thus we know mos christians die without spirit baptism since they do not know all truth of God in this life, and so we know the teachings of most christian churches are false because men do not receive all truth from following them ...

equally the followers of Jesus in scripture are saints, who have given up sinning, but almost all modern christians are sinners still, not saints... it is rather conclusive evidence of a lack of fruit of the spirit in christendom these days...

Add to that the deep division of christendom into hundreds of thousands of disparate sects, deniminations, and millions of personal private beliefs and one sees it is not united in one truth of God by his spirit... it would then be and is then foolish indeed to follow the churches of sinners and ignore the truth of the saints and prophets in every word of scripture, as men are doing daily by the hundreds of millions...

 

[stranger]

Many people who believe in the love which is God and who believe in Jesus/Yeshua the Messiah/Christ are unable to post on the site because divided christianity will not admit that its division is fostering unscriptural exclusivity , cliques excluding open discussion of the REAL problems that divide christianity...

However hard it is to have one's faith tested by discussion, it is nevertheless part of Jesus' way to face and talk to those who have not yet come to belief, but this current situation is worse than that, people who believe in Jesus are being excluded by the structure and rules of the site ... this is simply bureaucratic insanity and extremely unloving , unacceptable in christians...

I thus enclose an [truncated, name and e-mail witheld] letter from a friend who is excluded from the site by this foolish bureaucracy to show the madness here :-

No problem my friend, nice to hear from you again! Thank You so much STRANGER. Truly i'm kind of sick of the discrimination and legalism in this forum. It's really difficult to find people that think like you posting here. I've asked in the past why can i not post in the Messianic forums when i am eventually MESSIANIC? Every time i attempt to post in the Messianic Forum the system advises me that i have to be Christian to post in the forum. In other words i'm not Christian because i don't accept Christian peoples creeds.

I want you to see that this is discriminatory in nature. I've asked some Messianic Moderators and they have totally ignored me. Other Messianic Moderators have said that "they were going to do something about it" and still nothing has been done. This is completely ridicules to say the least and it has been going on for more then a full year already. I truly doubt i'm ever going to post here again if things continue the way they are Stranger. I truly appreciate your private message and i hope you keep me posted on all these movements and changes. After all, that is my life, i love to help others and expose unbiblical doctrines dogmas and ecclesiastical traditions of men. I'm a bit late now for the Aug 3 thing, i did not recieve this message till now, keep me posted on how can i be of help, if you need me to help on anything!

I'll be logging in every now and then but i will not be posting till i see changes. If there is changes please keep me informed.

 

[stranger]

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

There we have it then, we CONTEND for the faith delivered to the saints [and witnessed in the scriptures]...

We clearly do NOT have that faith in COMMON yet because christendom is DIVIDED...

The DIVISION proves absolutely that we do not have the true faith throughout christendom, thus we MUST CONTEND for it, not shut away ourselves in enclaves where others are not permitted to speak clearly their points from scripture ...

That then is the KEY to future site structure based on the love of Godand His truth given by his saints and prophets... the site must allow the scripture to be used as the law of love on the site...

One can have an area for those who do not use the scripture, but instaed of the existing enclaves of divided dogmetic rhetoric, they simply must be open to scriptural reproof in the interests of uniting christians in scriptural truth of God and giving up the current division

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

No christian can surely seriously doubt that his or her beliefs should not be brought into line with ALL scripture , since all is God's word if it is scripture ... this then a COMMON basis for defining who is christian , fra better than the current one used on the site ... and the scripture is far more extensive and comprehensive than te arbutrary rules and Draconian punishment system [by gagging and excluding people ,whom God instucts us to love!!] that is existing here at present... a crime against love and justice, by making sinners judge sinners and unsurprisingly they get it wronmg quite a lot ... Jesus spoke AGAINST this , why is it here?
Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Judgment is give by God to the saints eventually, it is not for sinners to be given judgment over others bvy this site , yet it is the rule here that they must make judgments they are not yet equipped as saints to make ... it is simply against Christ, it is WRONG!! [as many could verify, were they not gagged further for speaking out in appeal against the injustices of sinner against sinner in the structuring of the site ) ... we need LOVE, not false judgments by sinners , there is a BIG differnece...


No christian can complain at being reproved to scripture ...

Then one must face the problem that countless personal interpretations of scripture are the very CAUSE of division in christianity ... BUT scripture states that it is NOT of these interpretations :-

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Thus scripture CAN be understood UNIQUELY of ITSELF without adding private interpretation ... and adding such is the CAUSE of the straying from the NECESSARILY ONLY ONE truth of God in scripture...

The site can thus work toward its original aimof UNITING christians by becoming the focus of this WORK of CONTENDING for the truth of scripyture AGAINST denominational and sectarian interpretations...

This is a SEPARATE and just as essential task in christianity, to remove the division on the inside whist reaching out to the outside ...

BOTH are required BY scripture , by WORD OF GOD .... neither can then be ignored if christians are to unite and fulfill the great commission... the scripture says so [above references]

There is of course also room for chatter and socialising and other interests on the site because these bring people together at a DIFFERENT level of importance , but to not get the basics reproved to the Gods' word in scripture before people go into isoleted communion in them [as the saints did], leaves the site pandering to Satan by allowing groups who refuse reproof to scripture to go into site-sanctioned huddles refusing to discuss their beliefs with anyone or have them compared to the scripture as a whole... that is one thing that is seriously mistaken and yet it is a major part of the site and emphasised very wrongly, sanctioning divisio away from God's truth in scripture simply because mistakes were made in the past to divide off sects and denominations from the whole truth of God in scripture...

There is a 'fire' to TRIAL of faith in scripture, that vtrial is BY THE WORLD .... one cannot exclude it from the site becasue its function is the perfection of love toward salvation , it is thus precious beyond anything in the world , baptism of 'fire' is the stage of salvation after baptism of the spirit :-

Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

NOTE: No-one then gets to glory and honour without this trial of given faith from God... thus one must allow the 'fire' within the site, faith MUST be truied in the perfection of love, just as Jesus and the saints were tried in the world ... God requires it, do not write it out of the site... allow for dissension as trial of faith, overcome it with LOVE and TRUTH of God from scripture , not with gagging and exclusion...

 

[Inan3]

Just like the 'Nicene creed' , that ain't enough either ... not least faith does not come from ourselves , so it ain't up to us when we believe and come to obey Jesus as Lord and so stop sinning .; stop breaking his command as lord...

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

equally one does not repent [in fact cannot repent fully] until AFTER spirt baptism to know all truth and all prophecy [John 16:13] :-

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Clearly most christians do NOT know all truth... christians are deeply divided about what the truth even is ! ... and most christians do NOT know what is to come either, so they have clearly not received what Jesus promised in scripture to his true followers :-

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Thus we know mos christians die without spirit baptism since they do not know all truth of God in this life, and so we know the teachings of most christian churches are false because men do not receive all truth from following them ...

equally the followers of Jesus in scripture are saints, who have given up sinning, but almost all modern christians are sinners still, not saints... it is rather conclusive evidence of a lack of fruit of the spirit in christendom these days...

Add to that the deep division of christendom into hundreds of thousands of disparate sects, deniminations, and millions of personal private beliefs and one sees it is not united in one truth of God by his spirit... it would then be and is then foolish indeed to follow the churches of sinners and ignore the truth of the saints and prophets in every word of scripture, as men are doing daily by the hundreds of millions...

What we can definitely see with YOUR posts is that YOU VERY OBVIOUSLY do NOT know the truth. You continue to twist and pull scriptures out of context to fit with your own personal agenda.

And while you say you have no agenda...you do....it is to make Christians look bad and wrong. Oh....you throw in enough of your love jargon to throw people off but you reveal your true spirit by the lies and accusations that you continue to spue in just about all of your posts.

You give no foundation for what you say about Christians and don't kid yourself, the scriptures you interject do not prove that you know what you are talking about they only prove you do not! I hope that those reading your posts will not just take them as true but they will search the scriptures that you give and see that you have taken them out of context just a the devil did when he tried to tempt the Lord in the wilderness.

I am speaking the truth in love and will continue to do so. I hope that one day you will repent and give your life to Jesus. I have shared the way enough for you to know what to do.

As far as the differences in Christiandom. One thing we all believe is that Jesus Christ is Lord of all. Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world. We believe that God is One God, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. We believe that one day Jesus will come back and rule and reign for a thousand years. We believe that if you accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour you are saved from eternal damnation but if you do not you will go to Hell and eventually the Lake of Fire which is the second death. The important things we agree on. You cannot understand this because you have not been born of the Spirit as stated out of your own mouth. You keep speaking of a future salvation but the Kingdom of God is come unto you NOW. It began with Jesus.

As you can see I am not a xenaphopiac. I am not afraid of strangers. As you continue to spue out lies I will continure to speak the truth about them.

SIDE NOTE: YES Faith IS up to us to act on. Jesus spoke often about individuals faith. He spoke of little faith and great faith. He said it was according to our faith.


Mat 15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great [is] thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Mat 8:26 And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.

Mar 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mar 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, BUT SHALL BELIEVE that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.


Please note the number of times Jesus said, THY FAITH hath made thee whole in the following scriptures!


Mat 9:22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.

Mar 5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.

Mar 10:52 And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.

Luk 8:48 And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.

Luk 17:19 And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.


While it is true that GOD has freely given unto every Christian the MEASURE of faith (Rom 12:3), it is equally true that He expects us then to build on it by feeding on the Word of God. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. (Rom 10:17) Desire the sincere milk of the Word that you may grow thereby. (1Pet 2:2)


2Pe 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard [it], he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

Mat 9:2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.

Mat 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.




I know that some people don't like it when I include a lot of scriptures but it really isn't important what I have to say or anyone else but it is important that you hear the TRUTH and the scriptures ARE truth! So I suggest you Read those that I have included so you will not be deceived by the lies that others are trying to perpetrate here against chrisitanity.

 

[*Starlight*]

a Christian would believe what the Nicene Creed says.

That's not totally true... Even though most Christians accept the Nicene Creed, I know that there are people who follow Christ's teachings, but don't fully agree with the Creed.

 

[.Sabre.]

That's not totally true... Even though most Christians accept the Nicene Creed, I know that there are people who follow Christ's teachings, but don't fully agree with the Creed.

That's true.

Remember also "Judge not, lest ye be judged".....

 

[Inan3]

equally one does not repent [in fact cannot repent fully] until AFTER spirt baptism to know all truth and all prophecy [John 16:13] :-

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

You seem to have the cart before the horse in your understanding.

The scripture clearly says,

Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

The Spirit is given AFTER we repent.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Repent simply means:
1) to change one's mind, i.e. to repent

2) to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins

You keep quoting Rom 11:25 and emphasizing the without repentence part. But the understanding of that is seen in the context and it is referring to God not believers. Paul is just saying that God is not finished with Israel yet. He tells that blindness has happened in part to them (Israel) until the fulness of the Gentiles is come but the writer wants to get across that God is NOT finished with Israel yet for, (because) the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. In other words, God has not changed His mind about Israel. He has still called them and He has still gifted them and when the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled He will then again deal with Israel as a nation.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance.

God has not changed His mind regarding Israel!

 

[Debi1967]

That's not totally true... Even though most Christians accept the Nicene Creed, I know that there are people who follow Christ's teachings, but don't fully agree with the Creed.

IOWS they do not hold to the Trinity???

 

[Debi1967]

Umm everyone this is to discuss option 3 not to discuss theological points of view maybe you should take this discussion to an appropriate part of the board

 

[stranger]

Umm everyone this is to discuss option 3 not to discuss theological points of view maybe you should take this discussion to an appropriate part of the board

I for one am discussing option 3,and I don't have any idea why you think it should not be reached by debate about what God wants from christians ... one cannot avoid theology in that, and it is theology which caused the polland the option 3 discussion... I suggest that you read the thread and see what it is about and why it involves discussing theology at the very deepest level ... love of God and men , the law of God that is NOT the law here, not yet anyway, but should obviously be so ...

Equally there is only one truth of God, so all the diversity in christianity is from Satan [including mainline christianity that is no longer on the tracks because it refuses to be reproved to what scripture says :-

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

The churches went wrong a long time ago, as the historical record shows , but instead of acknowledging the mistake ,modern chuches plough ahead by simply altering the scripture by means of 'spin' . private interpretatiions which are not allowed of the word of God :-

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

 

[stranger]

The Spirit is given AFTER we repent.

You really have to read more scripture and stop getting your ideas from sinners [even if they dress up and live in churches and cathedrals ! ]

Read and learn instead from God's inspiratiion of Paul :-

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

The gift of the spirit is thuis given before repentance , and indeed needs to be because men simply cannot repebt fully until we are forced to acknowledge all truth [even about ourselves ] by the spirit :-

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Simply repeating what sinners taught you [even all your life] is NOT following God' struth ofr Jesus, it is following siners, not even saints of God ... why learn from sinners when you could learn from the saints and prophetsof God by just reading the sciptures and IGNORING the loud shouts of [divided] sinners to believe their church mish-mash and private interp[retations of the words of God ... God does not accept any such private views - so 'Hermeneutics' and other theological interpretation is following Satan, not Jesus according to PAUL , that the churches are divided shows who leads them and it is rather obviously not the one truth of the spirit, else why are they divided and disagree with some scriptures, as you do [see above] :-

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

God has never sinned that He needs to repent my friend, that is desperate private interpretation ... Paul is simply pointing out that grace is unmerited by Israel, that they have no need to repent first [in part] , but there is no reason not to begin one's repentance as soon as one can.... the point is that one cannot repent fully until one has faced all truth about oneself and that only comes from God we cannot get over our own denial by ourselves...

 

[stranger]

Originally Posted by StarJewel
That's not totally true... Even though most Christians accept the Nicene Creed, I know that there are people who follow Christ's teachings, but don't fully agree with the Creed.

It's a very valid point and highly relevant to the choice of option 3 ... the Nicene creed is in fact very weak and doctrinally sked, not reflecting scripture evry well and far from necessary or sufficient to define a christian [as this site has been using it for some time] ... it has been a severe injustice to many who believe in Jesus beacuse they stand up against the somewhat pathetic 'nicene council' - see some of the evidence :-

http://www.joshuabooks.com/bushby/biblefraud/internalgif/jb_article2.htm

 

[stranger]

He probably didn't think it would be this long but really there are some rabbit trails on here He could always close this and then read it so it won't get longer After all the poll was to end on the 3rd.

that is a bad suggestion, I have friends who found out only today about the poll, because they ahve been away or because they were treated unkindly by so-called 'chrsitia mods' on this site and simply do not look in very often these days, hoping it will become a loving place instead of what it is ...

People need much longer to mull things over too, it was wrong that many made a snap decision in voting and then could not change their vote on reflection and discussion of the issues... the discussion should have been BEFORE the poll and everyone who could should have been notified by PM or e-mail because it is such an important issue ... conducting it without discussion and in 'secret' just was noinsense, as was excluding some of the options, even what turned out from discussion to be peoples' first immediate choice [before reflection and discussion]

 

[Debi1967]

It's a very valid point and highly relevant to the choice of option 3 ... the Nicene creed is in fact very weak and doctrinally sked, not reflecting scripture evry well and far from necessary or sufficient to define a christian [as this site has been using it for some time] ... it has been a severe injustice to many who believe in Jesus beacuse they stand up against the somewhat pathetic 'nicene council' - see some of the evidence :-

http://www.joshuabooks.com/bushby/biblefraud/internalgif/jb_article2.htm

The Nicene Creed does nothing more than affirm the Trinitarian nature of God and is completely Biblical in application

 

[Debi1967]

The Nicene Creed (with scriptural references as it is based on the Bible)


We believe in (Romans 10: 8-10; 1 John 4: 15)
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6: 4, Ephesians 4: 6)
Father (Matthew 6: 9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6: 3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1: 1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1: 15-16)

And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11: 17)
Son of God, (Mathew 14: 33; 16: 16)
Only-Begotten, (John 1: 18; 3: 16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1: 2)
Light from Light; (Psalm 27: 1; John 8: 12; Matthew 17: 2,5)
True God from True God; (John 17: 1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1: 18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10: 30)
through whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1: 1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1 Timothy 2: 4-5)
came down from heaven, (John 6: 33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary (Luke 1: 35)
and became man. (John 1: 14)
And He was crucified for us (Mark 15: 25; 1 Corinthians 15: 3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19: 6)
suffered, (Mark 8: 31)
and was buried. (Luke 23: 53; 1 Corinthians 15: 4)
And on the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures, (Luke 24: 1 1 Corinthians 15: 4)
and ascended into heaven, (Luke 24: 51; Acts 1: 10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father; (Mark 16: 19; Acts 7: 55)
and He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24: 27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10: 42; 2 Timothy 4: 1)
Whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1: 11)

And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14: 26)
Lord, (Acts 5: 3-4)
Giver of Life, (Genesis 1: 2)
Who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; (John 15: 26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; (Matthew 3: 16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19: 20; Ezekiel 11: 5,13)

In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2: 5,9)
catholic*, (Mark 16: 15)
and apostolic Church. (Acts 2: 42; Ephesians 2: 19-22)

I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins**. (Ephesians 4: 5; Acts 2: 38)
I look for the resurrection of the dead, (John 11: 24; 1 Corinthians 15: 12-49; Hebrews 6: 2; Revelation 20: 5)
and the life in the age to come. (Mark 10: 29-30)

AMEN. (Psalm 106: 48)