What would option 3 look like

[Joykins]

I would reword it to say that the penalty for not telling the truth when you registered is getting banned from the CO forums.

Was it the impression of those running this enforcement that the majority of those who did so were consciously lying about their choice?

 

[A New Dawn]

Was it the impression of those running this enforcement that the majority of those who did so were consciously lying about their choice?

I can't speak for other mods or other members, but I consciously lied when I registered.

 

[drstevej]

I can't speak for other mods or other members, but I consciously lied when I registered.

And I called your bluff (as a member).
God was at work through all of the process.

Praise Him.

 

[Joykins]

I can't speak for other mods or other members, but I consciously lied when I registered.

When I registered it was the first time in my life I actually had to decide whether I agreed with the Nicene Creed, which I had previously encountered only in History 402 and when visiting a Catholic Mass. Fortunately History 402 gave me a thorough grounding in what the creed actually meant.

I later walked a sock through the registration screen and realized how easy it was to avoid seeing it at all. But I'm pretty anal about fine print and following rules.

 

[JimfromOhio]

I have learned that by doing of the will of God leaves me no time for disputing about His providence plans. However, in the process of producing Christian character and enhancing our testimony to others, we should all work together without bickering.

 

[SunMessenger]

I can't speak for other mods or other members, but I consciously lied when I registered.

Well I love you and your honesty is comforting. That is what is between Us and God. What we do and the decisions we make. Then it continues on deciding what to do after. These are matters of the heart and to be worked out privately with God. One can swear to any creed and never follow it . Some of us do take that seriously right from step one. Each of us no better or no worse that the other and each of us left to be tended by the Shepherd.

Love Ya.. God Bless...

Sun

 

[A New Dawn]

Well I love you and your honesty is comforting. That is what is between Us and God. What we do and the decisions we make. Then it continues on deciding what to do after. These are matters of the heart and to be worked out privately with God. One can swear to any creed and never follow it . Some of us do take that seriously right from step one. Each of us no better or no worse that the other and each of us left to be tended by the Shepherd.

Love Ya.. God Bless...

Sun

Thanks, my brother!

I miss you on staff (now it's my turn to say it. ) Hope all is going well with you.

God bless you, too!

 

[RedTulipMom]

Wow what a mess there is option one, two and now three, there is debating over those, there is a poll now for just about everything at the moment.

I doubt a poll can tell anything because for every firm opinion there will be two oppposing opinions = confusion.

God is NOT the author of confusion..

I believe that Erwin should seek his vision, then he should make the site to work with his vision. Many may leave, many will stay, but at the end of the day, it is his site, it is his vison, and he alone is responsible for how he works that out.

We need to back off Erwin, give him some space and some peace and allow him to make and run his site and his vision the way that God directs him.

I may not like what he comes up with, but too bad, its his vision and its God speaking to him, I will respect that and I will either stay and work with it, or I will move on and work with what God directs me to do.

What I wont do, is try to destroy something that God has given to another to do.

Erwin, if you read this....
Please take some time to seek God as to what HE wants you to do, not all the hundreds of voices yelling and pulling you in all directions.

Listen to Him alone...

Then when you hear from HIM go with His direction no matter what anyone else says or argues. At the end of the day, we each [not all the other voices], are answerable to God for what we do with what HE gives us.

I am praying for you

God Bless

Les

i agree with this Erwin!

 

[SunMessenger]

Thanks, my brother!

I miss you on staff (now it's my turn to say it. ) Hope all is going well with you.

God bless you, too!

You know I needed to leave so I could do everything possible to bring the original CF back. I could not speak openly with the staff title dangling near my name. I felt the need to hold back some in stating my personal observations when on staff. That is just old paramilitary training I suppose.

By leaving I was able to speak my mind , pray more and trust God to show me what is next to do without all the extra distractions being handed to you guys at this time. Maybe in the future I will again. Right now I feel compelled to be here as a member where I can constructively speak my mind and in doing so hopefully return CF to where it should be.

Hugs back at ya... Sun

 

[dignitized]

You know I needed to leave so I could do everything possible to bring the original CF back.

You want the original CF back? The one before the teams? The one were who ever wanted to acted on what ever report they wanted to? Cause that was the original CF. I was a member back then. Were you?

 

[SunMessenger]

You want the original CF back? The one before the teams? The one were who ever wanted to acted on what ever report they wanted to? Cause that was the original CF. I was a member back then. Were you?

No not that far back the one before this last CF. My goodness how many faces has this place had... LOL Do not answer that I have already heard the stories...


Sun

 

[J4Jesus]

Good question.

One possible solution that has been proposed already is to run 2 sites, one that is open, another that is Christians-only, based on the same membership data.


This is kinda funny but I thought of that the other night.


It's entirely possible. The previous version of CF is very similar, with 2 sections, one open and one close. The aim of the new system was to establish something like that but with members agreeing to do it themselves, but it hasn't worked out over the past month.

The ultimate aim would be to keep the good things of the recent changes such as moderator transparency, and see if we can formalise the wiki usage a bit more in a way that is acceptable (the wiki collaborative process is still the best process to get consensus for rules and guidelines).



Transparency would be good (except for personal private info).


I do not think the wiki is working out. After alot of work someone comes and changes it. Its futile. People join agreeing to something then get in trouble in 2 weeks not knowing it changed or have to read the rules every day . Time consuming.




A Christian site should have Christian rules based on Scripture itself. God's Word and ways do not change and should not be wiki-fied.


This is the most frustrating, and why it won't work; trying to come to an agreement when there is no way a Christian and non Christian sees things the same way. I could post a few scriptures on that where God said was impossible, but it could be taken as flaming. God does not flame but He speaks truth. This restricts the Word of God from being expressed and He cannot even be quoted on some things. This is not right.


But if this consists of both sides here, there needs to be rules written in a way the other side can speak also but not to flame or blaspheme. There has been no solution, it restricts one or the other.



There is no question that CF has 2 large groups of membership together, and to be honest, that is fantastic, because not many sites on the Internet are able to bring these 2 groups of people together into a place for discussion.


It may be too large and need to be 2 groups.


It is possible that Option 1 and Option 2 can be combined together into a middle ground of Option 3 since this is what the poll is really showing us -----------------

Possibly, but as we see under this kind of set up is won't work. There would need to be some changes.

Erwin, why are you trying to be all things to all people? It's your site - run it how you want to. You do this stuff on your own time - you're not obligated to keep everyone happy. Set the standards and keep them. If people leave, so be it.

"I don't know what the key to success is, but I know for sure the key to failure is trying to please everybody."
- Mark Twain

Erwin
This is just what I was implying on the other thread. There is no way you can please everyone, there will always be someone unhappy. So the best thing is to focus on pleasing God. If the Lord has truly called you to have this site, and has not told you that you have accomplished it and are finish with what He wants here, I'm sure you want to do His will. Letting others do what they want ( unless the Lord says to do that ) can be disasterous since you will be the one having to answer to the Lord for it. So the only solution is diligently seek Him in exactly what He wants, and how He wants it done. And only he can guide and direct you how to do these things in detail.

I sure wouldn't want to have to do this with thousands of members. Do you feel like Moses did when he was frustrated with all those rebellious people in the wilderness? We know this is not easy and has been a real challenge so many have been praying for you!






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[joyshirley]

I have not read the entire thread through yet, but wish to say right now that I disagree most strongly with the notion of separate sites.

 

[FriendsFellowship]

Erwin, I love this site. I have put a lot into it over the last four years. It's been a blessing to me.

Some of the changes that have happened are good, but some need to go. Here's what I think needs to be done:

-Make the rules concrete. No more Wiki.

-Bring back the Niccene Creed.

-Make Staff Christian Only

What I like about the new site:

-Non-Christians can post with the Christians.

-The transparency (although I wouldn't mind a private forum for staff, it's not neccasary. PM's work. This way all members can see what happens in the super sekrit staff forum).


That's just my $.02

Without reading any of the other responses, my personal thoughts are:

• Bring back either the Nicene Creed, or if that's too restrictive, the Apostles' Creed. Any Christian entity will have some sort of basic system of determining what is and isn't Christian. It's not elitism, as everyone is able to affirm that creed if they take that step. But that doesn't mean having the right to yank icons as that could do an awful lot of damage.
• Non-Christian staff. Sparklecat and Ravenscape have been excellent mods, beyond reproach, but having non-Christian staff isn't good. It's not a reflection of who they are, it's a reflection of what the site needs to be.
• Staff shouldn't be voted in. It's a popularity contest and creates mistrust both for members and within staff ranks.
• Bring back some sort of warning system. Staff only being able to politely ask people to edit their post basically renders them obsolete, and allows people to flame/break rules incessantly without any sort of consequence. If we do something that's worthy of a warning, we deserve to get a warning. It's not being unforgiving; it's taking other peoples' feelings into consideration.
• Wiki has to go. It's been a disaster.

But the good things have been:

• Members being able to go in every forum. Not all of us knew how unwelcomed non-Christians felt before and that has to stop.
• Transparency. Reports should stay open to view, but only be open to comments by the people involved and staff, because they're developing into places people can flame anonymously and it's just making more work for staff.

Non-Christians felt they were being bullied by staff in secret before and that's appalling; the way to redress that is to have openness and staff accountability.

I am getting weary of all the discussion, but I feel I must weigh in.

I would support either of these concepts as option 3.

Like so many posting here, I feel very strongly about what should happen here at CF; and I strongly believe we need to bring back the Nicene creed, and get rid of the WIKI.

 

[FriendsFellowship]

I have not read the entire thread through yet, but wish to say right now that I disagree most strongly with the notion of separate sites.

You'll get no argument from me on this point JS!

 

[dignitized]

we need to give the wiki a chance before we scrap it.

 

[J4Jesus]

Lets not make it more confusing. Please ! Take the victory on the poll for what ever side and give them each what they want. Make two sites no one would care about that since I would bet dollars to donuts that if you did that only one would end up being the successful one. That being the way it was. What ever you do keep it simple and do not try to blend the two the mix could be more of a mess.

If it does not upset you to have two seperate factions then do it. This would then prove itself out in time. I still believe the old way with more clarified rules is the best...


Sun

I don't know how many would want two, but if about half want 1 and the other half 2, then that would be the easiest way to satisfy them all, ( except those who are never satsified and just want to gripe no matter what happens ) If most would want them separate why not?


For those opposed--- how about just "like" separate sites, but on the same site????????

 

[GraceInHim]

Originally Posted by mrconstance
Erwin, Michael does have a point. I was going to put this in a PM but I think it needs to be said in public.

I appreciate your desire to bring in a wide range of voices and opinions, but you ca

When you changed the rules without consulting anyone, you showed the members and staff of CF that you will take all the work we do and throw it in the garbage if it doesn't mesh with your vision of what CF should be.

It is very difficult to build on ground that has been shown to be unstable. Until you communicate to the members and staff that you know what the vision is and are going to stick with it, you will have a hard time getting people to trust that their work will mean something. CF is totally under your control, and you need to set the boundaries for the work we do.

When you set those boundaries, you will make a lot of people upset. No matter what you do, you will have people telling you that you're betraying Christ. That's the price you pay when you try to further God's kingdom. But you need to stop trying to please us, and worry only and solely about pleasing God. Make some decisions, and stick with them. Otherwise, CF will have nothing but chaos.

Alan

agree

I am saying that Erwin needs to make a decision about what CF is about. A lot of people are going to gripe up a storm no matter what he does, so he might as well do what he thinks God wants and stop worrying about what we think.

Alan

agree

 

[Erwin]

Okay, one day, when I'm not at work, and I have free time, I will read all the posts in these threads, but in the meantime, I'm at work, so my time on CF is limited, but I want to say that all this discussion is healthy, it is good and it is a sign of a vibrant community who loves this site, its members and the vision, and no matter whether you support the vision or the new framework, the fact that you post in here and are discussing the issue means that you are supporting me as a person, so for that I thank you all.

I WILL read the posts in the threads, just not today. It's a day of meetings today here at work.

 

[J4Jesus]

I have to wonder - if this place has lost Christ as some people are saying in their signatures and their posts - why are they not shaking the dust from their feet and leaving?

I know some who have. And if the Lord tells me to witness to someone and say certain things that are in His Word ( which is always right, by the way) but I am silenced, then I suppose thats what I may have to do also, depending on what the purpose is here.