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This is why I have not read it because I have already been told about it and know that it is rhetoric propoganda
You mean that I listen to the Church telling me what to do and that I am the blind being led by the blind don't you?Its a pity that you listen to sinners telling you what to do ... but simply look at teh documents listed as the references... they are almost all church documents by church authorities ... so is the church claiming its own documents are rhetoric propaganda ?
You mean that I listen to the Church telling me what to do and that I am the blind being led by the blind don't you?
It seems stranger that you do not have the appreciation that I can make choices on my own the same way that you have and that I can say the same thing about you.... That you are the blind being led by the blind, or by sinners .....
Mat 7:1 Judge not, that you may not be judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
The churches must eventually reprove to scripture and cease this division which is not in God's truth but in their private interpretations which leave much of scripture OUT ... God's word is NOT for ANY interpretation, it expalins itself without interpretation if one simply atlkes it all in before deciding what it says... the churches do not accept it all else they would agree in one, as Jesus and saints do with God ...2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
If you feel judged by what scripture says, that is 'pricks' from God , not from me....2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Acts 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Umm I don't feel judged by Scripture at all stranger .... please do not assess something to what I am saying that is not there.You have me very wrong my friend, I am not here to judge anyone ... simply to point out what scripture says and what the church says... and observe, not judge, the differences ... God gave us scripture to reprove to , to instruct on how to follow Jesus in righteousness... there is no point in following a church down teh broad way if you can see what scripture says :-
The churches must eventually reprove to scripture and cease this division which is not in God's truth but in their private interpretations which leave much of scripture OUT ... God's word is NOT for ANY interpretation, it expalins itself without interpretation if one simply atlkes it all in before deciding what it says... the churches do not accept it all else they would agree in one, as Jesus and saints do with God ...
If you feel judged by what scripture says, that is 'pricks' from God , not from me....
Well, not only about them... there are different kinds of Christians who don't fully agree with the Nicene Creed.Are you talking about Non-Trinitarians ????
provisions have always been made for them on this siteWell, not only about them... there are different kinds of Christians who don't fully agree with the Nicene Creed.
No, there were some Christians on CF who weren't allowed to post in the CO areas before the recent changes.provisions have always been made for them on this site
who those that were in actuality opposed to the trinity by opposing core beliefs of itNo, there were some Christians on CF who weren't allowed to post in the CO areas before the recent changes.
Well, everyone who disagreed with something in the NC wasn't allowed in the Christian-only section, and there's more in the NC than just the Trinity... But if CF is trying to unite all Christians, then it should accept non-Trinitarian Christians and other Christians who don't fully agree with the NC.who those that were in actuality opposed to the trinity by opposing core beliefs of it
Well, everyone who disagreed with something in the NC wasn't allowed in the Christian-only section, and there's more in the NC than just the Trinity... But if CF is trying to unite all Christians, then it should accept non-Trinitarian Christians and other Christians who don't fully agree with the NC.
As to those Non-Christians
1Jo 2:21 I have not written to you as to them that know not the truth, but as to them that know it: and that no lie is of the truth.
1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar, but he who denieth that Jesus is the Christ? This is Antichrist, who denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jo 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. He that confesseth the Son hath the Father also.
So if they deny this
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
IOWS that Jesus is Divine then they also deny the Father as well
God is God and therefore anything is possible for God as he is the Creator of all things possible including Logic itselfI don't think its the Jesus was divine concept that gives most "Nonchristian Christians" problems, but the logically impossible position that he was 100% God and 100% man. Something cannot be both A and B if A and B contain mutually exclusive properties.
At least that's been my observation of many of the Nonchristian Christians that post in General Apologetics.
I was talking about Christians who don't accept the NC, not about non-Christians. But I think it's good that non-Christians have the access to all forums on CF now.As to those Non-Christians
God is God and therefore anything is possible for God as he is the Creator of all things possible including Logic itself
who those that were in actuality opposed to the trinity by opposing core beliefs of it
God is God and therefore anything is possible for God as he is the Creator of all things possible including Logic itself
more anti-catholic rhetoric
Logos = Word. God is the Logos.
Logos is also from the root word for logic. God is never illogical. He created logic so we can know Him.
Its when others tell us we have strong faith when we accept what is illogical? Its a lie.
Just because we do not understand something at the moment does not mean the answer is to be illogical. That jumps right into the arms of religious superstition and paganism if we believe what is illogical.
We are to come to UNDERSTANDING what we first believed. We are not to remain in a state of acceptance of what we are told is the truth and remain ignorant how it is the truth.Ephesians 1:7-9 (New International Version)
"In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. And he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ."
Romans 10:2 (New International Version)"For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge.
Some churches teach that we are never to question, but to be obedient to what it tells us. That the church holds all the answers we are to never question.
But? That is not what God's Word tells us to do!
1 Thessalonians 5:21 (King James Version)
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
We are to question for ourselves what we have been told. God is not pleased if we simply submit to what we are told as if obedience and submission are virtues in themselves! We submit to be taught. We are to be obedient to what is truth. But, we are to prove all things, and keep that which is good only!
Acts 17:11 (New International Version)
"Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true."
Read that? Understand what it says?
Here was a top Apostle! Paul! And the Bereans were considered more noble for testing and proving all Paul said by examining the Scriptures for themselves. ......... For themselves.
God's Word - not man's.
In Christ, GeneZ
Logos = Word. God is the Logos.
Logos is also from the root word for logic. God is never illogical. He created logic so we can know Him.
Its when others tell us we have strong faith when we accept what is illogical? Its a lie.
Just because we do not understand something at the moment does not mean the answer is to be illogical. That jumps right into the arms of religious superstition and paganism if we believe what is illogical.
We are to come to UNDERSTANDING what we first believed. We are not to remain in a state of acceptance of what we are told is the truth and remain ignorant how it is the truth.Ephesians 1:7-9 (New International Version)
"In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. And he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ."
Romans 10:2 (New International Version)"For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge.
Some churches teach that we are never to question, but to be obedient to what it tells us. That the church holds all the answers we are to never question.
But? That is not what God's Word tells us to do!
1 Thessalonians 5:21 (King James Version)
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
We are to question for ourselves what we have been told. God is not pleased if we simply submit to what we are told as if obedience and submission are virtues in themselves! We submit to be taught. We are to be obedient to what is truth. But, we are to prove all things, and keep that which is good only!
Acts 17:11 (New International Version)
"Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true."
Read that? Understand what it says?
Here was a top Apostle! Paul! And the Bereans were considered more noble for testing and proving all Paul said by examining the Scriptures for themselves. ......... For themselves.
God's Word - not man's.
In Christ, GeneZ
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