What would it take to disprove atheism?

[Sasquatchit]

Can't handle the fact that most evidence suggests when we die it is the end? Yeah, I can barely handle it myself.

Ur mislead!

 

[KCfromNC]

Ur mislead!

You're rubber and I'm glue must be the new sophisticated theology that I've heard is all the rage these days.

 

[Sasquatchit]

I agree completely.

Some people not only can't handle the truth, they manufacture their own truth.

Yah well, this is called lying to themselves and misleading everyone else with their misinformation. It's called debunking the Truth, and going along with the conventional status quo!

 

[Sasquatchit]

I was addressing her comment that most evidence suggests when we die it is the end. The only evidence that is used in making that claim is physical. Sure, we stop moving, life signs stop, and we decay. At least, our body does. What the bible addresses is the spiritual aspect. That's where the spiritual aspect comes in, the part that we can't see now, unless you look inward. That's why I ask her (and you) to think about what you really are. You're more than just a collection of cells and minerals. Also, beyond just being another animal, you have the ability to reason, to make decisions, to have values and morals, and to contemplate your own existence. When does any of those things come from water and dirt? It's never been something that we can put together in any laboratory either. Should we believe that this amazing ability we have happened out of sheer radomness?



I was thinking about you last night after we had our interaction on the forum, and wondered if just maybe I would walk away from a belief in God as well. But from what I've seen and experienced so far, I just don't see it, and it makes me wonder if maybe you never saw enough during your time as a Christian to make you believe that it's real. Everyone has some sort of testimony about how they came to their faith in Christ. I'd be interested to know if there was anything specific that happened in your life to make you no longer believe. Was it just one thing, or many things over time?

I think I'll have to write up a testimony and post it on here. I know it will get belittled and I'll be mocked by about three dozen members here. But I've been starting to question things myself after what people have been telling me, so it got me to remembering just what made me start believing. I think it might even answer many of the questions people keep asking me. That might be wishful thinking though. Haha!

First of all, ur either saved or not saved, there is no half saved/in between stage.

John 4:24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

John 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

John 5:24 "Most assuredly, I say to u, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."

 

[Sasquatchit]

Of course, but brain science strongly indicates that mind and body are very tightly associated phenomena, like two sides of the same coin. The activity of the body is what makes one's mind possible. Without the body, the mind can no longer continue.

This isn't about denying the existence of mind, but of letting reality tell its own story instead of imposing our desires for immortality upon reality. Physical evidence is what tells that story, because all introspection can do is to tell you that such a thing as mind exists and what happens to be going on in your own mind, not the ultimate fate of minds or whether or not there is a God.


eudaimonia,

Mark

The sounds r mumble jumble, like static.

Philippians 3:3 "...have no confidence in the flesh."

Acts 5:29 "...we ought to obey God rather than men."

 

[Eudaimonist]

The sounds r mumble jumble, like static.

If you have difficulty understanding me, feel free to ask questions. I'll try to clarify.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[bhsmte]

Yah well, this is called lying to themselves and misleading everyone else with their misinformation. It's called debunking the Truth, and going along with the conventional status quo!

Yea I agree, a lot of people do that.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Ur mislead!

Wish it was me who was.

 

[bhsmte]

Ur mislead!

Yea, that is the stock response from some Christians; you don't agree with me, so you are misled.

As psychologically satisfying as it is for you to make that claim, feel free to support it, with something other than your personal experiences and or your interpretation of a book written 2000 years ago by anonymous authors.

 

[Aldebaran]

First of all, ur either saved or not saved, there is no half saved/in between stage.

It's just a username I came up with when I first came here with questions. Can't really change it.

 

[Chany]

It's just a username I came up with when I first came here with questions. Can't really change it.

Actually, I think you might be able to if you contact a mod or request it in a specific forum. In one of the casual threads, someone said they were in the process of changing their username.

 

[Aldebaran]

Actually, I think you might be able to if you contact a mod or request it in a specific forum. In one of the casual threads, someone said they were in the process of changing their username.

Thanks! Maybe I'll do that. Not sure what I could call myself next. I know there are people here who have their own names for me already!

I won't use any of those, however.

 

[ViaCrucis]

We could offer a hypothetical:

Let's talk about the non-belief in unicorns. We can even give it a name: anunicornism. How do we disprove anunicornism?

Well, by proving there are unicorns.

But generally this degenerates into the fallacy of demanding proof of a negative, "Prove to me that unicorns don't exist" is intrinsically fallacious.

For an atheist God or gods is really no different than unicorns or faeries for most of the rest of us. And I think that's important to keep in mind.

Further, it's possibly a good think to remember that one of the many charges the ancient Romans tended to label against Christians was the charge of atheism. Christians were regarded by Roman Pagans as atheists because Christians did not acknowledge the existence of the Roman gods.

As such I'd say that most religious people are, at the very least, conditional or bounded atheists. A Christian doesn't believe in all possible deities, the Christian as an Abrahamic monotheist only believes in the Abrahamic God, YHWH.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[znr]

Yes you can change it.

It's just a username I came up with when I first came here with questions. Can't really change it.

 

[Lollerskates]

We could offer a hypothetical:

Let's talk about the non-belief in unicorns. We can even give it a name: anunicornism. How do we disprove anunicornism?

Well, by proving there are unicorns.

But generally this degenerates into the fallacy of demanding proof of a negative, "Prove to me that unicorns don't exist" is intrinsically fallacious.

For an atheist God or gods is really no different than unicorns or faeries for most of the rest of us. And I think that's important to keep in mind.

Further, it's possibly a good think to remember that one of the many charges the ancient Romans tended to label against Christians was the charge of atheism. Christians were regarded by Roman Pagans as atheists because Christians did not acknowledge the existence of the Roman gods.

As such I'd say that most religious people are, at the very least, conditional or bounded atheists. A Christian doesn't believe in all possible deities, the Christian as an Abrahamic monotheist only believes in the Abrahamic God, YHWH.

-CryptoLutheran

I actually believe in other gods, I just don't think they are the Most High. Even God did not dispute the existence of other gods, He just said not to have any before Him.

The Greek gods, for example, reek of Genesis 6, especially the big three. Zeus (Azazel) caught wind of his daddy Chronos eating his children gods immediately after born, as to prevent the prophecy of one overthrowing him (as above, so below). So, with the help of his mother, Zeus frees his siblings (the revolting angels,) and wages war against the titans (holy angels) who are stronger, but yet somehow get defeated. Except, the gods' "win" was to come DOWN to set up kingdom on Mt. Olympus (I.e. cast out of heaven.) And, these gods appoint their king, and in the mean time rule over and even mate with other humans to produce demigods (Nephilim, Anakim, Rephaim, Emim.) These demis were mighty men, men of renown like Hercules, Perseus, Achilles, etc.

It is the same story recycled over the spread of cultures. Artemis/Diana/Isis.

 

[Sasquatchit]

If you have difficulty understanding me, feel free to ask questions. I'll try to clarify.


eudaimonia,

Mark

No thanks, it's not important to understand psycho/philosophical mumblings. Who cares!!!

That is what the Greeks used to do, sit around and psychoanalyze philosophical nonsensical, babble stuff. Boring beyond belief!!!!! My interest is in TRUTH.

 

[True Scotsman]

Question for the group: If you are an atheist, what would it take to convince you that there truly is "something" rather than "nothing"?

Or is it possible? (I have a feeling that some loathe the concept of God so much, they could watch the seas part & they would STILL find a reason to doubt.....)

There's no need in my case because I don't start with nothing, I start with something. Why is nothing the default position. Maybe something is the default and nothing is impossible.

It makes no sense to me to start off with nothing and to try and explain existence when we know that there is something that we know exists.

I don't think it is a proper question to ask for a cause of existence. The question denies the primacy of existence. Existence exists and we know it. It doesn't need an explanation. It simply is and it could not have been otherwise.

 

[znr]

Wow. Come down off your high horse.

No thanks, it's not important to understand psycho/philosophical mumblings. Who cares!!!

That is what the Greeks used to do, sit around and psychoanalyze philosophical nonsensical, babble stuff. Boring beyond belief!!!!! My interest is in TRUTH.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

No thanks, it's not important to understand psycho/philosophical mumblings. Who cares!!!

That is what the Greeks used to do, sit around and psychoanalyze philosophical nonsensical, babble stuff. Boring beyond belief!!!!! My interest is in TRUTH.

"In the beginning was the Logos..."

Logic, Reason and accurate accounting. This is how we practice the love of Wisdom.

 

[KnowtheSilence]

No thanks, it's not important to understand psycho/philosophical mumblings. Who cares!!!

That is what the Greeks used to do, sit around and psychoanalyze philosophical nonsensical, babble stuff. Boring beyond belief!!!!! My interest is in TRUTH.

If you know what it is you believe and why, you've done philosophy.
If you've done this without knowing that you're doing philosophy, you've probably done it poorly and should consider doing it over.